can u supercharge a 6 port engine with a camden kit and how would you do it?

 

use the new EFI kit instead.

 

I dont want EFI I want to carb, more power

 

Who told you this?

 

Nothing wrong with a carb setup, but don't be under the impression that it will give you more power than a fuel injected setup.

To answer the question, yes, you can use a supercharger on a 6 port setup. The 6 port (non turbo) engines have higher compression ratios than the turbo engines. Also, there is no intercooler with a supercharger to cool down the charged air, so you may want to be a little more careful with how high you boost.

 

or, add a FMIC

 

you have been gorossely misinformed! a properly tunned EFI setup with always make more power then a properly tunned carb setup on the exact same powerplant. It has been proven time and time again.

 

You get 40 extra horse when you have a properly tuned carb, I have seen it and felt the power. What can you get with EFI accept 12 - 25 HP gains.

 

do you have dyno slips or just have rode in two sc cars. how identical were they? apples to appples it makes a big difference

 

We all want to hear about how carbs actually produce more horsepower. Seriosuly, elighten us. Bottom line is you won't, can't-- its not possible.

Please don't start another carb flame war. If you want to carb your car, thats fine. Dont' be under the impression that it will give you more horsepower than a Stand alone though.

Although a properly tuned carb can make shitloads more power than an improperly tuned stand alone (you can make your car have no power by richening it to death)...

The truth is, a properly tuned stand alone will have as much (less likely), but probably more horsepower (more likely) than a properly tuned carb setup.

End of story.

BUT: if you want to go carb thats your choice, no one here will flame you for it, though we will call you ignorant if you say something along the lines that "a carb makes more horsepower than EFI."

 

It's a toss up, they're pretty much equal. The only real difference is, you'll never match the smoothness of the torque curve that an EFI has with a carb setup. EFI makes it a hell of a lot more streetable.

 

I think double barrel is referring to the fact that the stock efi system breathes through a tiny air flow meter which restricts flow whereas a good carb system doesn't have this restriction. It may be true that changing to a carb on a 2nd gen will yield more power over the factory fuel injection but with aftermarket fuel injection this just isn't the case. I am in agreement that good efi does make more power than a carb but I see how he is thinking in this scenario.

 

finally someone who agrees a little. Thanks for not tearing me apart.

 

Yes, and by EFI I mean a standalone... and a decent stand alone won't require that air flow meter, which say, is restrictive. Therefore you can't really use that for or against an EFI system, unless by EFI you require me to mean a STOCK system...

A Carb can produce more power than a stock EFI...
Just as an aftermarket standalone EFI will produce more power than a stock EFI...

Nothing new here.

 

So lets assume that the stock rating of 160hp is correct.

With a Camden SC on a 6-port, and a properly dialed in stock EFI, what hp could be expected?

Also correct me if I'm wrong but but a FMIC would allow for more boost and therefore more power?

 

Yep that was the whole point. There was no need to tear the guy up since you agree with him. That IS what he was saying. No one initially mentioned aftermarket efi so his statement was valid. You just took it to another level that is generally understood by all.

 

My concern would be at what point the stock fuel system would be maxed out. With nothing done here, it isn't going much over about 200-210 rwhp or so. Also remember that the air flow meter is all the way open without the supercharger by about 5000 rpm so it will really be limited. I would guess about 250-260 fwhp but since I don't have one, it is only a guess. A carb would get higher numbers for reasons we've already stated. Just as a disclaimer so no repeats this again, this only applies to the STOCK efi system but even then it will need fuel system upgrades.

An intercooler would allow for more power but how would you tie it in? The Camden supercharger is sitting on a manifold only a few inches upstream of the engine. You would have to completely relocate the blower and use an entirely different manifold. You obviously have long pipes to go to the intercooler. While this isn't a problem on turbo cars, remember that in this case the throttlebody is before the supercharger. That is a long way for air to travel in between the throttlebody and the engine. The easiest option that I can think of would be to raise the supercharger a couple of inches and install an air/water intercooler in between it and the manifold similar to how they are mounted on the Lightning trucks.

 

Thanks for the insight! I understand why you say the HP would be limited, but I coiuld live with a 100HP increase!

I guess the thing I like about the SC for bolting onto the N/A (mine) is the fact that it would pretty much be a bolt on mod. If you didn't like it, just unbolt it!

 

Many people get confused by this for some reason. The carb set up adds that power because it can flow more air and fuel than the stock injectors and air flow. A modified intake and manifold with injectors will make better power since it can be much more accuratly tuned.

 

i didnt see anyone mention intake manifolds until totallimmortal said something. there's not an abundance (i can think of one) of aftermarket intake manifolds for our cars. the only one i know of is the dual independant throttle body setup that goes onto the "weber style" adaptor (i think i'm right on these terms). people can bitch about carbs, hell even i'm not sold, but as far as flow goes for production parts, what compares?

 

thats why I want to do carb but I am waiting for a better argument on the EFI system, also the camden site says on a stock ecu that the supercharger will give you 176 extra horse if you were wondering.

 

honestly, i read the thread once and dont feel like it again, so i'm just gonna ask, is this a street car? only driver? i think you can get good power, but there's the chance it will be very peaky. i had a long talk about n/as with a very good engine builder nearby who's built rotaries since carbs were common. a friend of mine told me that he had said the most power he has ever got out of an n/a was actually with a carb. that doesn't mean thats the most useable power, and it also may have been before any efi intake manifolds were available, but you can make power with carbs. honestly, if i had a street-driven carb'd fc, i'd probably want another daily just in case i didn't feel like the loud peaky ride. i guess i really can't say until i drive one. if the funds were available, though, i'd definately get a standalone and try out the dual independant throttle body set-up on a half-bridge. that would be my n/a, though. its up to you.

 

I am driving it as a street car but who doesnt like a good race, how much is a stand alone? and where can you get one for our car.

 

800+ and then miscellaneous parts. i think complete haltech kits are sold for upwards of 1500, but you can get by cheaper. its not an inexpensive route to go, which further explains the "why there arent too many fast n/as" theory (not to mention lack of trial and error). of course, the standalone is just replacing your ecu, that doesnt get into your new intake manifold setup which i think most agree is needed to make good power on an n/a. and then, as always, other miscellaneous parts. new fuel system parts, definately.

 

good question! where can you?