BNR Stage 1 or just get HKS To4e? Need to shut some people up.....
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Originally Posted by Bukwild
I smell a rebuild required shortly............
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I believe his estimation is derrived from the fact that you just want to do this to put the smack down on some friends...or enemies...
Based on that assumption - you're probably going to pop that engine
But yes, plenty of relatively modded 7's use piggybacks, but given the whole situation you begin to describe, what with "I can't afford an EMS" and such...it doesn't seem too far of a stretch to say that you will probably not have it set up properly and end up with a blown engine...
Not trying to be a dick - but that's kinda what I pull from your posts/situation
Based on that assumption - you're probably going to pop that engine
But yes, plenty of relatively modded 7's use piggybacks, but given the whole situation you begin to describe, what with "I can't afford an EMS" and such...it doesn't seem too far of a stretch to say that you will probably not have it set up properly and end up with a blown engine...
Not trying to be a dick - but that's kinda what I pull from your posts/situation
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Originally Posted by Eternal_Gamer
why do you say that? because I am not getting standalone? I've seen plenty of moderately modded cars with piggyback systems.
You are trying to make the most expensive of all the import cars in the world to mod out (dollar for dollar) extremely fast. And you don't have the money to buy all the components and tuning needed to do it right. = blown motor
Honestly you have no buisness trying to race those cars until you have a setup ready to race something that is twice your HP. You are just going to get spanked and it will cost you $1500 for a rebuild.
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Originally Posted by classicauto
1400 the cheapest...you MUST be new...
Look into the R-tek for starters, and Tofuball on the forum makes plug and play megasquirts for s4 n/a s5 n/a s4 tii, and s5 tii........I think he was asking $450 in a group buy....
Look into the R-tek for starters, and Tofuball on the forum makes plug and play megasquirts for s4 n/a s5 n/a s4 tii, and s5 tii........I think he was asking $450 in a group buy....
he also said installed, that is a damn fair price. it is always a good idea to have someone who knows about the EMS they sell installing it as well. no one near him probably has any knowledge about the Rtek 2.0(still in the testing stages anyways) and the megasquirt.
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Not time for track yet. I want a Koyo, a new diff mount, & tires first. It's not tuned for power right now. I'm gonna wait awhile till I get a reliable tune with a wideband. It's damn fast the way it is now.
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Originally Posted by Bukwild
No I am saying that because you are trying to make a 15 second (16 years ago)turbo rotary into a drag racer so you can beat brand new sti's and evo's that run 400hp + with a 3 minute ecu flash and a cat replacement pipe.
You are trying to make the most expensive of all the import cars in the world to mod out (dollar for dollar) extremely fast. And you don't have the money to buy all the components and tuning needed to do it right. = blown motor
Honestly you have no buisness trying to race those cars until you have a setup ready to race something that is twice your HP. You are just going to get spanked and it will cost you $1500 for a rebuild.
You are trying to make the most expensive of all the import cars in the world to mod out (dollar for dollar) extremely fast. And you don't have the money to buy all the components and tuning needed to do it right. = blown motor
Honestly you have no buisness trying to race those cars until you have a setup ready to race something that is twice your HP. You are just going to get spanked and it will cost you $1500 for a rebuild.
Amen. Too many people forget our cars are 19 or so years old. Is this car your daily driver? I know mine is and thats why I haven't spent a shitload of money on a bigger turbo to whoop up on some guys who have faster cars than me. Let me tell you that those cars will damn near always be faster than yours. And if I blow my engine then I'm walking to work. If you take a grand and put it into your car, and a guy puts a grand in his 5.0, he's probably gonna kick your ***, And be able to beat on his on a regular basis. You can build a really durable fast rotary but thats just it, BUILD. Our cars take a lot of TLC and tuning to get running fast and reliable. I don't mean to be a dick but I don't want to hear about another blown rotary because of too much boost or whatnot when it could have been avoided by thinking smartly. So do yourself a favor, take time, research, and modify with your brain and not your *****. Because blowing up your car in a drag race against a $30k car isn't representing.
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Originally Posted by Bukwild
No I am saying that because you are trying to make a 15 second (16 years ago)turbo rotary into a drag racer so you can beat brand new sti's and evo's that run 400hp + with a 3 minute ecu flash and a cat replacement pipe.
You are trying to make the most expensive of all the import cars in the world to mod out (dollar for dollar) extremely fast. And you don't have the money to buy all the components and tuning needed to do it right. = blown motor
Honestly you have no buisness trying to race those cars until you have a setup ready to race something that is twice your HP. You are just going to get spanked and it will cost you $1500 for a rebuild.
You are trying to make the most expensive of all the import cars in the world to mod out (dollar for dollar) extremely fast. And you don't have the money to buy all the components and tuning needed to do it right. = blown motor
Honestly you have no buisness trying to race those cars until you have a setup ready to race something that is twice your HP. You are just going to get spanked and it will cost you $1500 for a rebuild.
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Originally Posted by classicauto
I believe his estimation is derrived from the fact that you just want to do this to put the smack down on some friends...or enemies...
Based on that assumption - you're probably going to pop that engine
But yes, plenty of relatively modded 7's use piggybacks, but given the whole situation you begin to describe, what with "I can't afford an EMS" and such...it doesn't seem too far of a stretch to say that you will probably not have it set up properly and end up with a blown engine...
Not trying to be a dick - but that's kinda what I pull from your posts/situation
Based on that assumption - you're probably going to pop that engine
But yes, plenty of relatively modded 7's use piggybacks, but given the whole situation you begin to describe, what with "I can't afford an EMS" and such...it doesn't seem too far of a stretch to say that you will probably not have it set up properly and end up with a blown engine...
Not trying to be a dick - but that's kinda what I pull from your posts/situation
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Theres nothing "wrong" with that setup. dont worry about standalone now especially if you cant afford it, just get an AFCii, a Bnr, a manual boost controller and a good tune. you'll be stoked about the power increase.
Theres nothing "wrong" with that setup. dont worry about standalone now especially if you cant afford it, just get an AFCii, a Bnr, a manual boost controller and a good tune. you'll be stoked about the power increase.
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Why would you take the time to buy and 'fix up' your car if your just going to half *** it the first time. Can anyone seriously say a piggyback is BETTER than a EMS? No, they're not, never will be. So why would you spent money on and pay someone to tune an inferior setup. You need to think about the future on this. What if later down the road you decide you need more power? Which I know no one that doesn't have that bug. Well, you're going to end up buying an EMS and paying someone to tune it, then you've pretty much just wasted the money on a piggyback and a tune. If I'm going to do something I'm going to do it the best it can be done so I'm not doubling up on expenses. You keep saying you don't have a grand to get an EMS? You need $700.00 (Haltech E6X) for a EMS system that will do everything you need no matter how many mods you can throw onto the car and you'll never have to worry about upgrading it. Screw spending $350.00 (Apex'i SAFC) on an inferior system. Take your time and do it right. If you blow through this trying to get quick power... your not different from those 'ricers' your trying to beat.
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Originally Posted by Karack
as for slow spooling hybrids or other turbos, hell my stage 2 hybrid begins to go into positive boost at 2K RPMs
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what? what does that have to do with anything? you're at 0psi the moment you push the gas pedal to the floor with any turbo, and into "positive boost" a milisecond after that.
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Originally Posted by Eternal_Gamer
Ok, what isnt good about the setup? I am gonna get the fuel mods and the FMIC. What else do I need? The piggyback controllers are good enough. Al this **** and turbo is gonna be $2.5k-3K. Thats a lot of money. I dont have that extra 1K to spend on an Standalone ECU. I dont really need it, if the piggyback is working it enough fuel already. My friend just rebuilt his engine for $400. I have no problems as I think mild-moderate tuning shouldnt be too bad with the BNR Stage 1 Turbo. I know all the precautions, my question was does the BNR Stage 1 Turbo Perform well and what are the specs and data collected from your use with it. And if the numbers werent what I am looking for, I will go with a To4e turbo, because I know that turbo can perform. NOT TRYING TO BE A DICK, but come on people, please read what Im asking for. and this isnt gonna be my daily driver for much longer. I am getting a new dd soon, just dont know what I want. Might get a Miata again. This rx-7 turbo is nothing but a hobby to me.
get a haltech and a hybrid turbo, some fuel and a FMIC. that will be like 3k.
for what you want to do, you dont need a "HKS t04e" (why the hell does it have to be HKS?) and all this aftermarket turbo stuff. also, are you aware how much a "t04e" flows? do you even know which compressor WHEEL you want? seriously. if you have to get a new turbo setup to impress your friends, just get a hybrid and a haltech, and the fuel to go along with the haltech.
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Originally Posted by idsigloo
Why would you take the time to buy and 'fix up' your car if your just going to half *** it the first time. Can anyone seriously say a piggyback is BETTER than a EMS? No, they're not, never will be. So why would you spent money on and pay someone to tune an inferior setup. You need to think about the future on this. What if later down the road you decide you need more power? Which I know no one that doesn't have that bug. Well, you're going to end up buying an EMS and paying someone to tune it, then you've pretty much just wasted the money on a piggyback and a tune. If I'm going to do something I'm going to do it the best it can be done so I'm not doubling up on expenses. You keep saying you don't have a grand to get an EMS? You need $700.00 (Haltech E6X) for a EMS system that will do everything you need no matter how many mods you can throw onto the car and you'll never have to worry about upgrading it. Screw spending $350.00 (Apex'i SAFC) on an inferior system. Take your time and do it right. If you blow through this trying to get quick power... your not different from those 'ricers' your trying to beat.
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Theres nothing "wrong" with that setup. dont worry about standalone now especially if you cant afford it, just get an AFCii, a Bnr, a manual boost controller and a good tune. you'll be stoked about the power increase.
Theres nothing "wrong" with that setup. dont worry about standalone now especially if you cant afford it, just get an AFCii, a Bnr, a manual boost controller and a good tune. you'll be stoked about the power increase.
Originally Posted by jacobcartmill
dude:
get a haltech and a hybrid turbo, some fuel and a FMIC. that will be like 3k.
for what you want to do, you dont need a "HKS t04e" (why the hell does it have to be HKS?) and all this aftermarket turbo stuff. also, are you aware how much a "t04e" flows? do you even know which compressor WHEEL you want? seriously. if you have to get a new turbo setup to impress your friends, just get a hybrid and a haltech, and the fuel to go along with the haltech.
get a haltech and a hybrid turbo, some fuel and a FMIC. that will be like 3k.
for what you want to do, you dont need a "HKS t04e" (why the hell does it have to be HKS?) and all this aftermarket turbo stuff. also, are you aware how much a "t04e" flows? do you even know which compressor WHEEL you want? seriously. if you have to get a new turbo setup to impress your friends, just get a hybrid and a haltech, and the fuel to go along with the haltech.
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Originally Posted by Eternal_Gamer
I am not concerned about the rebuilds as I will be doing them myself and rebuild kits are not that much and i got extra parts. But it wont be blowin anyways.
We'll see how concerned you are when it does happen. It's exactly how i was thinking until i lost a daily driver.
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Originally Posted by Mx6-Rx7 Addict
We'll see how concerned you are when it does happen. It's exactly how i was thinking until i lost a daily driver.
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Originally Posted by fstrnyou
there's a guy with a megasquirt, intake, exhaust, fmic. stock turbo running 10psi making 274whp. he might also be streetported, can't remember.
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eternal gamer:
you missed my point about the HKS t04e.
a t04e is a t04e whether its made by garrett, master power (not the ebay masterpower), turbonetics, borg warner, whatever......
didnt you say you want like 300whp? you do *not* need a t04e to do that. maybe you want it just cause its JDM tyte HKS stuff? i made 360whp with my t04b vtrim turbo at 15psi.
if you need to make more than 250-260whp, get a hybrid turbo. end of story.
you missed my point about the HKS t04e.
a t04e is a t04e whether its made by garrett, master power (not the ebay masterpower), turbonetics, borg warner, whatever......
didnt you say you want like 300whp? you do *not* need a t04e to do that. maybe you want it just cause its JDM tyte HKS stuff? i made 360whp with my t04b vtrim turbo at 15psi.
if you need to make more than 250-260whp, get a hybrid turbo. end of story.
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Originally Posted by jacobcartmill
eternal gamer:
you missed my point about the HKS t04e.
a t04e is a t04e whether its made by garrett, master power (not the ebay masterpower), turbonetics, borg warner, whatever......
didnt you say you want like 300whp? you do *not* need a t04e to do that. maybe you want it just cause its JDM tyte HKS stuff? i made 360whp with my t04b vtrim turbo at 15psi.
if you need to make more than 250-260whp, get a hybrid turbo. end of story.
you missed my point about the HKS t04e.
a t04e is a t04e whether its made by garrett, master power (not the ebay masterpower), turbonetics, borg warner, whatever......
didnt you say you want like 300whp? you do *not* need a t04e to do that. maybe you want it just cause its JDM tyte HKS stuff? i made 360whp with my t04b vtrim turbo at 15psi.
if you need to make more than 250-260whp, get a hybrid turbo. end of story.