BNR Stage 1 or just get HKS To4e? Need to shut some people up.....
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BNR Stage 1 or just get HKS To4e? Need to shut some people up.....
I have a S5 TII, and there has been talks that the Rx7s here in Fresno are getting whooped. This is all talk, because I know most if not all of the rx-7 turbo guys. One of my buddies is gonna be running a GT40 and standalone on a 13bre motor, but he isnt done with the rebuild yet and would still need to break in the motor. So I wanna go ahead and prove these guys wrong. I find that the stock turbo is insufficient for the job. I know the HKS To4e is good enough for the job, but I dont really want to spend that much money on it and its supporting mods just yet. I also would like to avoid the strict cops here in fresno, so a stock looking turbo would be good. I have deep interests in the BNR Stage 1 Turbo. I hear it can push 290-310 at 15psi or lower. I want to know what power #s you guys who are running the bnr stage 1 turbo got. Also what times have you guys ran with them at the track. I am looking to get at least high 12s without slicks and hope for low 12s. I 'd like to be close to 300hp. What is the max and safest boost for the stage 1 turbo? Well, the pfc f-con with graphic controller, 720cc secondaries, and walbro fuel pump be good enough for fuel? if anyone has a used bnr stage 1 let me know.
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why does the T4 have to be an HKS product? that automatically means its going to be way overpriced.
i got a 400 dollar borgwarner t04b vtrim and made 360whp
400 bucks for the turbo
200 bucks for the HKS log manifold (yeah, its HKS but its cheap and cast and i like it)
200 bucks for the wastegate
100 bucks i had to extend my RB downpipe and get vband flanges/clamp
i'm not exactly sure what you mean by "supporting mods," but you're going to need more fuel and a better intercooler at anywhere over 230-240whp...
edit: i just noticed you're on the stock ECU with piggyback stuff. just get a freakin hybrid and a rtek7 ECU and some injectors. if it were me, i'd just get a haltech as the first mod, as you can run 12's on the stock turbo with some more fuel.
i got a 400 dollar borgwarner t04b vtrim and made 360whp
400 bucks for the turbo
200 bucks for the HKS log manifold (yeah, its HKS but its cheap and cast and i like it)
200 bucks for the wastegate
100 bucks i had to extend my RB downpipe and get vband flanges/clamp
i'm not exactly sure what you mean by "supporting mods," but you're going to need more fuel and a better intercooler at anywhere over 230-240whp...
edit: i just noticed you're on the stock ECU with piggyback stuff. just get a freakin hybrid and a rtek7 ECU and some injectors. if it were me, i'd just get a haltech as the first mod, as you can run 12's on the stock turbo with some more fuel.
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Originally Posted by jacobcartmill
why does the T4 have to be an HKS product? that automatically means its going to be way overpriced.
i got a 400 dollar borgwarner t04b vtrim and made 360whp
400 bucks for the turbo
200 bucks for the HKS log manifold (yeah, its HKS but its cheap and cast and i like it)
200 bucks for the wastegate
100 bucks i had to extend my RB downpipe and get vband flanges/clamp
i'm not exactly sure what you mean by "supporting mods," but you're going to need more fuel and a better intercooler at anywhere over 230-240whp...
edit: i just noticed you're on the stock ECU with piggyback stuff. just get a freakin hybrid and a rtek7 ECU and some injectors. if it were me, i'd just get a haltech as the first mod, as you can run 12's on the stock turbo with some more fuel.
i got a 400 dollar borgwarner t04b vtrim and made 360whp
400 bucks for the turbo
200 bucks for the HKS log manifold (yeah, its HKS but its cheap and cast and i like it)
200 bucks for the wastegate
100 bucks i had to extend my RB downpipe and get vband flanges/clamp
i'm not exactly sure what you mean by "supporting mods," but you're going to need more fuel and a better intercooler at anywhere over 230-240whp...
edit: i just noticed you're on the stock ECU with piggyback stuff. just get a freakin hybrid and a rtek7 ECU and some injectors. if it were me, i'd just get a haltech as the first mod, as you can run 12's on the stock turbo with some more fuel.
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Originally Posted by Eternal_Gamer
BTW, I would love a standalone, but it would be too much money all at once.
Keep in mind that once you start going above stock boost and fuel levels that fuel control IS a must (you obviously know that) but the more control the better, and safer. the 450 he's asking in the group buy will be zilch compared to cost of a rebuild if you don't have the tuning capability to run the car properly with the added airflow.
Just something to consider.
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i like that exhaust dump. hey you could hit high 12s with open exhaust and some good tuning on that stock turbo but your pushing it. get that front mount and be safe.
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Originally Posted by cjbechtel
i like that exhaust dump. hey you could hit high 12s with open exhaust and some good tuning on that stock turbo but your pushing it. get that front mount and be safe.
Originally Posted by classicauto
Look into the megasquirt - Tofuball makes plug and play ones and has a group buy going on right now.
Keep in mind that once you start going above stock boost and fuel levels that fuel control IS a must (you obviously know that) but the more control the better, and safer. the 450 he's asking in the group buy will be zilch compared to cost of a rebuild if you don't have the tuning capability to run the car properly with the added airflow.
Just something to consider.
Keep in mind that once you start going above stock boost and fuel levels that fuel control IS a must (you obviously know that) but the more control the better, and safer. the 450 he's asking in the group buy will be zilch compared to cost of a rebuild if you don't have the tuning capability to run the car properly with the added airflow.
Just something to consider.
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seach in the timeslips and dyno numbers section to see what people got with thier hybrid turbos. with my stage IV I'm at about 350 but I'm having some issues with blow by etc..so I'm not making the power I want. I will be re rebuilding my engine with s5 n/a rotors and 3mm apex seals as well as some other goodies so I should hit 400whp with that setup.
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what cars are you racing because these days when racing turbo modded cars vs a second gen turbo you are going to need twice the boost and three times the money. Drag racing should not be your first choice. You might want to see if they will go from a roll (which is gay) but I don't see you shutting anyone up with a bnr stage 1 anything.
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midly-moderate modded honda swapped cars, evos, sti's, vr4s, nsx, s2000, mustangs, camaros. basically anything that is modified but not fully blown or anything close to that. If I can get 300hp i think i should be good enough for a while. I dont plan to be the fastest in the 1/4 mile, but i want to be fast enough at least here in fresno. a 11-12 sec car here in fresno is pretty quick. If I can get at least high 12s, i should be good and low 12s is my goal and would be even better. I am more into handling though, I want to get into autox and drifting, but drag would be fun once in a while. im not planning to take on the top dogg, but i wanna shut some ricers up. I will also be going up against a 300hp 89-91 supra turbo. I know I got the weight advantage, but I want to gurantee my victory. I want to at least give these cars a good run for their money.
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you don't need fast spool for drag racing... why waste the money?
as for slow spooling hybrids or other turbos, hell my stage 2 hybrid begins to go into positive boost at 2K RPMs, it partially depends on what intercooler you use.
as for slow spooling hybrids or other turbos, hell my stage 2 hybrid begins to go into positive boost at 2K RPMs, it partially depends on what intercooler you use.
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anything not-stock is going to suck *** for autox. You get outclassed /real/ fast when you start messing with the things that are easy to add horsepower.
The recipe for a fast TII is pretty easy.
Got a fresh motor?
EMS is the first thing to do, it's the foundation for making more power.
Then (and this really is easiest if you just buy it all in one chunk.
you need to upgrade your Fuel system (720 primaries, 1600 secondaries) FMIC, Turbo (big), Exhaust, intake setup (goes with the turbo), etc.
The recipe for a fast TII is pretty easy.
Got a fresh motor?
EMS is the first thing to do, it's the foundation for making more power.
Then (and this really is easiest if you just buy it all in one chunk.
you need to upgrade your Fuel system (720 primaries, 1600 secondaries) FMIC, Turbo (big), Exhaust, intake setup (goes with the turbo), etc.
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Originally Posted by Karack
you don't need fast spool for drag racing... why waste the money?
as for slow spooling hybrids or other turbos, hell my stage 2 hybrid begins to go into positive boost at 2K RPMs, it partially depends on what intercooler you use.
as for slow spooling hybrids or other turbos, hell my stage 2 hybrid begins to go into positive boost at 2K RPMs, it partially depends on what intercooler you use.
Originally Posted by Terrh
anything not-stock is going to suck *** for autox. You get outclassed /real/ fast when you start messing with the things that are easy to add horsepower.
The recipe for a fast TII is pretty easy.
Got a fresh motor?
EMS is the first thing to do, it's the foundation for making more power.
Then (and this really is easiest if you just buy it all in one chunk.
you need to upgrade your Fuel system (720 primaries, 1600 secondaries) FMIC, Turbo (big), Exhaust, intake setup (goes with the turbo), etc.
The recipe for a fast TII is pretty easy.
Got a fresh motor?
EMS is the first thing to do, it's the foundation for making more power.
Then (and this really is easiest if you just buy it all in one chunk.
you need to upgrade your Fuel system (720 primaries, 1600 secondaries) FMIC, Turbo (big), Exhaust, intake setup (goes with the turbo), etc.
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Originally Posted by classicauto
Look into the megasquirt - Tofuball makes plug and play ones and has a group buy going on right now.
He already said he has an S5, the GB is for the S4 Megasquirt.
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Originally Posted by don iz will
yeah get a new ecu ive been speaking to dyson rotary and they reckon i'll get 35-40 kw (50-60 hp) at the wheels just by installing a microtech lt8s
The mesurement of an ECUs ability is not peak power.
Even a well-tuned carburator will produce the same peak power as an EMS.
If he told you something like that, he's just trying to sell you a Microtech LT8S.
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Originally Posted by Tofuball
The Microtech ECU will make just as much power as any other ECU
The mesurement of an ECUs ability is not peak power.
Even a well-tuned carburator will produce the same peak power as an EMS.
If he told you something like that, he's just trying to sell you a Microtech LT8S.
The mesurement of an ECUs ability is not peak power.
Even a well-tuned carburator will produce the same peak power as an EMS.
If he told you something like that, he's just trying to sell you a Microtech LT8S.
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Originally Posted by don iz will
yeah i wasnt saying he should buy a microtech its up to him what ecu he gets. i dont know how much microtechs cost in the U.S but its the cheapest stand alone ecu i can find and was designed for rotarys (the guy didnt tell me that he just said a price and possible gains) 1400 aussie dollars supplied and fitted isnt a bad way to get 60 hp at the wheels
Look into the R-tek for starters, and Tofuball on the forum makes plug and play megasquirts for s4 n/a s5 n/a s4 tii, and s5 tii........I think he was asking $450 in a group buy....
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Originally Posted by DASUPACAT1
I have a BNR stage 1 with the mods in my signature. Dunno how much power I got but it is real fast. I plan on a fmic, Koyo, stand alone like an Apexi power FC.