Okay, I have been doing all sorts of cool parts for FC owners, and while some have done well, others have flopped entirely.

For example I made white faced Logicons because I had several people asking for them... But I didn't sell even one for a 3 months, and finally had to drop the price literally to what it cost me to make them to sell them. When this batch is gone, they are gone for good.

Or the nice machined PD adapter that let people use a replaceable GM PD on S4 cars, that I ended up giving half of them away, because no one wanted to pay the $60 that it cost me to make them.

Yet my rebuilt single windshield wipers sell out faster than I can get cores in.

So I am doing a little market research here.

I have been having quite a few people asking for Logicons with Blue indicator lights for the modes (face/feet/defrost/re-circulate/air condition on) and for the sliders. I have located some nice very blue lights to do it with, that need only minor modifications to make work (adds about another 30 -45 minutes to the rebuild of a Logicon).

So, my poll here is if I made the blue indicator/sliders with stock black face would you buy one?

Please do not vote yes if you are just thinking about it.

Blue lights day:


Blue lights night:


UV lights:

 

Do we have to ship your our logicon or will you already some cores to work on?

 

What is the price on a regular(rebuilt) logicon?

 

That is what I am trying to figure out. If I should build some already done blue cores.

Then you have the option of either buying one already done and ready to go for $100 + shipping, or send yours in for rebuilding with the blue lights added (probably around $80 for rebuilding your existing one with blue lights and new mosfets, upgraded controller diodes, cleaned and resoldered throughout).

 

$75 for S4, $80 for S5.

 

That seems fair to me since your not doing any custom work yourself right? I mean your just going to be able to plug and play like a normal logicon right?


Santiago


BTW I wouldn't buy the thing with blue lights I am just asking out of curiousity.

 

Yep, plugs in just like a normal logicon, bulbs still dim, when you turn on the lights (as they do stock). Nothing extra to hook up or change wiring or anything like that.

Everything works and is wired stock, just has blue lights for the indicators and sliders.

 

Well I will offer you my take on this and to any other person on this forum that wants to make/sell somthing to FC people. You know there will be people that will post up and say "I want one(two three etc) I will have the money next week" then when you have the product ready those same people will be one of three things #1 gone without a trace #2 will say they don't have the money for it #3 went with something else or changed their minds. You know very well Mark that this will happen. It always does. The level of interest will be high right up until you release the item. Then the interest dries up fast.

Santiago


PS- This is why I am not devoting as much work into my AZ product line as I used to. Its just not worth the trouble for these punks(not to be an *** but its true) to run and hide when you come out with something.

 

id like to see a pic of one in a car, before voting or making a real statement pertaining to me wanting one or not

 

unfortunately, this would be something that would fall under the 'rice' catagory, I'm not saying it is ricey, but 90% of your customers are going to be ricers or modders that have too much money. Neither of which are very common on this forum.

I would not pay for a rebuilt logicon, but this is my personal opinion. If anything, I would prefer to have a kit and do it myself.


kudos for the effort.

 

blue lights? so when the logicon lights are off during the day will the pictures still appear orange??

 

i think it'd be pretty nice, one major drawback of an fc (as with any older car) is the interior isnt the most attractive....and i think this would help.

 

Yes, the pictographs on the logicon would stay the same. They would not change color. Only the indicators would.

Here is a picture of one on the bench. Now mind that it is in a very low light situation so the bright blue indicators look rounded in the picture, but I assure you that they look like the normal orange ones in person:


(with high/low air position on, recirculate on, Air condition on, and parking lights on)

 

I have thought about offering kits for both wipers and Logicons, but there are a couple of problems

#1 that a universal "just replace this part and it works perfect" really is not possible. In one wiper switch it might be a bad relay, but in the next it might be a burnt SMD transistor, and diode. It is almost impossible to know until you start testing.

#2 soldering skills. Many people that have no problems rebuilding a motor don't want to or don't have the ability to re-solder and replace Surface mount parts as well as standard soldered on parts. It takes a delicate touch to pull a SMD transister off the board and solder a new one in without letting the genie out of the new transistor or burning the board. So then you have people that say, "hey you sold me this kit, but my [insert part here] still does not work".

 

Hate to say this again... but unless this will add 60 hp to the car GUARANTEED, or the part is absolutely required (people need working windshield wipers), I doubt you'll sell very many.

Product development for the FC is a waste of time. Lots of people say they will buy them, and then never do... take a look at how many people wanted a CF hood, then ask Dave Gibson how many he has sold.

Facts are facts: FC owners are cheap. I wouldn't waste your time.

 

thats cool, thanks for the idea

 

Mark, They look cool to me.

Santiago - You forgot the minority in group 4, they like it, say so, AND come up with the money.

 

wait... its from icemark, its probably worth the 100.00! I thought this was put up by joe schmo at first

 

That is the rarest group and I didn't think I should even mention it. Mark's best bet is to put a couple on ebay and see if they catch. The forum is not a good indicator of what will and will not fly on the FC market. Talk to all of the people that sell stuff for us here. Most if not all have a similar or the same attitude towards the FC crowd. They are too cheap for anything to be possibly made for a profit. Short of aftermarket S5 tails and body parts' replicas there isn't ever going to be a good product selection out there. With time things will be discontinued by the bigger companies. Then the cheap guys of the FC crowd will all be screwed.


Santiago

I would guestimate the "group 4" people are maybe 5% of the people in here. Maybe less.

 

It's neat, and you deserve some credit for figuring out how to do it, but I just don't want one. I'd have to convert the rest of my interior to blue lights, so I really don't consider it to be worth the bother for me. Besides, I'm poor, and I need lots of other stuff before some pretty blue lights.

 

I have to congratulate Icemark for coming up with a new product for the fc. Please do not say you will by one and mislead icemark.

For those of you who are unaware/4got Icemark has helped nearly everyone on this forum solve some problem or another. Ive only been on the forum for half a year yet have gained a lot of respect for him.

 

Mark, can you do blue indicator lights into one of the remaining white faced logicons?

I bought an Indiglo dash set but haven't had the time to install it (so I'm not sure if I will be happy with the look), so at this point I'm only fishing as to the possibility of this combination.

My biggest problem that being in Canada, not only do I have to contend with a 31% increase for the exchange, I have to add increased shipping to the formula this usually adds a total of 50% to any published USD price for an item

Any luck with the 'electroluminescent version' that we spoke of in the past?

 

well if i get my 2nd gen rx7 this saturday i think they look very nice and without a prob i have the money alrady in my paypal i just gotta see but most likely but if not you think you can make one in like a black light or a custom color?
TwEaK

P.S i apolgize if i sound like a retard but im new to this rx7 thing and trying my best to be good at it....

 

Icemark--Im very interested. My logicon is shitty, and it doesnt match the indiglo gauges in the car. Tell me how much for a rebuilt and properly functioning S4 logicon with blue indicators and a white face. I want one.

Im also interested in the pulsation damper adaptor, please tell me more about what it is, or how it works with the existing one.

I think one of the reasons you havent sold some things is because not everyone knows. I had no idea you were making any of these things, And I will buy the above stated logicon as soon as its available and be willing to let everyone else know how it is. I know you're a good intelligent guy, we need more stuff for our cars.

 

Funny enough, The guy that I finally got the Blue LED samples from (for the above Logicon) tells me he also has UV LEDs now too, so in theory, I could also make one with black light style indicators. PM me if you are really intrested in that.