Drakk0r

As you all know, I just got my turbocharged N/A running.. It idles fine.. My prob is that it wont rev past 5500rpms. It sounds like its hitting a rev limiter. I can get it to go to 6k if I take it up slowly. When I get to around 3000rpms my EGT's skyrocket and around 4k I'm hitting 900*C. I suspected my secondary injectors but I swapped in my old ones (which I know work fine) and it does the same. I've read that it could be caused by my high pressure 255lt/hr Walbro Fuel pump, or a bad fuel pressure regulator (or both), but wouldnt that richen the mixture causing EGT's to drop? I also noticed that it happens when the car is about to reach positive manifold pressure. It wont ever go past 0 psi. Any suggestion would be appriciated.

copandengr

Can't help you any on the turbo problem, but one thing is universal regardless of what type of engine is being discussed. High EGT can only be caused by a very lean mixture of late ignition timing.

I know enough about the turbos on this site to know that a high volume fuel pump and larger secondaires are vital.

Your problem sounds as though your secondaries are not working at all.

Drakk0r

This is relvinnian: If that were the case, the car would have this problem less, when fuel is added via AFC. This is orginally what we had suspected, hence the injector swap. Later the AFC was leaned out as much as possible, and the car was able to rev to 6500 rpms, more freely. The exhaust is puffing white PURE RICH smoke even on full lean setting. Obviously something is wrong.

Currently I am leaning towards a faulty FPR, which is somehow allowing extremely high rail pressure. Comments?

Also, we have swapped 02 sensors, checked the AFM, and adjusted the TPS (which is reading 1kohm/4.5kohm).

Thanks
-Brian

Scott 89t2

your timming is probably way to high. I doubt the N/A ecu retards it enough. try retarding it at the CAS and see if that helps.

what size injectors are you using?

edit. the timming would cause the high egts. but probably not if you are just reving at idle?? I doubt that would stop it from redlinign at idle either. so probably a fuel thing.

avan

check your secondary injectors, make sure they are seated correctly

Drakk0r

Ok, lets assume that my secondary injectors arent working properly. How do I go about fixing the problem? I know they're getting voltage, I've measured... However they arent grounded while the car isnt running, which I assume is controlled by the ECU to control when they fire. I've tried two sets of injectors and get the same results. Any suggestions would be appriciated.

Drakk0r

Also, the injectors I had in the car when I first started it measure from 2.8-5 ohms when I measure them. My stock injectors measure a straight 2.3 ohms. Could the other injectors have screwed up my ECU? If so could I just reset the ECU somehow?

Drakk0r

Another bit of info... I have removed my ACV and blocked it off... If it doesnt seal completely could that cause any of the problems I'm having?

7 Dreams

Remove the negative battery cable and push the brake pedle. That'll reset the ECU, but I don't know if it'll help you :/

Drakk0r

Thanks, but I've already tried that... Same thing...

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relvinnian

Re-measured both sets last night, and they both measure 2.3-2.4 Ohms.

SonicRaT

iTrader: (6)

Well, it'd be nice if you had an air/fuel gauge to tell us where it was running. You say it smokes white like crazy? Also, fix your vacuum leaks, those don't help any. And also, your TPS should read up to 6K ohms, not 4.5. What does it sound like when you hit 6,000rpm?

Drakk0r

Like I'm hitting a revlimiter..... Actually... It sounds a lot like detonation, minus the metallic rattling sound. And it does it 4krpm if I just floor it.. And 5500rpm if I bring it up slowly.

Drakk0r

Ok, today I was messing with some stuff, ran a ground wire to the engine, fixed my EGT and boost gauge wiring, and unplugged the vac line from my pressure sensor. I also reset my AFR (fuel controller). Now the car will rev to 7k in neutral so I took it for a drive. Still stops revving at around 4k and it wont hit boost at all... I tried with and without the pressure sensor plugged in and get the same results. For some reason I get the feeling its boost related. Whenever I hit 0 manifold pressure, no matter where it is in the rpms, I hit what seems to be a fuel cut or somthing. Even with the pressure sensor unplugged. Could it be a faulty AFM?

peejay

Dumb question but how leak-free is your ducting?

I had a problem with running like crap on my (factory) turbo car and it turned out to be a loose hose clamp on one of the hoses between the turbo and the throttle body. When the turbo was pressurizing the intake tract, it'd leak out through the loose clamp, so the engine would run extremely rich to the point of misfiring, because the air had already been measured by the MAF. When off boost it wouldn't leak and it would get the correct amount of fuel.

The white smoke worries me... normally super-rich running is black and sooty, not white. White would be oil (possible turbo seals shot?) or coolant (not sure how it'd be boost related)

Drakk0r

I just went through my intercooler piping to check for leaks and found none. One thing I did find though was my ACV blockoff wasnt sealing. I took off the plate and I can see where its blowing by. Could this whole problem be caused by the ACV not being blocked off??

relvinnian

He is not able to see any positive manifold pressure, therefore the intake is not pressurized. The idle is not affected, yet the car still performs poorly in vaccum as revs increase. Also, I can ASSURE you the car is running heavily rich. When sitting with the car idling for 2 minutes or more the richness is so strong it burns your eyes, makes you light-headed. Very distinguisable.

I'm seriously at a loss here. I've never seen a problem like this that has not been easily fixed.

Josh, please check your plugs and adjust the CAS.

Drakk0r

Another thing I just thought of... When I removed the ACV, Air pump and took off the cats.. I never capped the split air pipe. I dont know jack about emissions crap... So could this be a problem? I'm going to go through the entire intake system and cap off everything that doesnt have somthing attached (and looks like it should), re-check the intercooler ducting, check the capped nipples on the intercooler, , check the spark plugs and check the timing. I hope this is simply an intake leak. That'd be much better than an electrical problem. Please keep the ideas comming.... Anything I havent thought of will be helpful. That way I can check all the systems one at a time to find the problem.

Drakk0r

And one other thing... The idle is effected a little. I've always had problems with the car stalling because of my 9.5lb flywheel. But its even worse now. It idles at 1100 rpms when its warming up and at around 300-400 when its warm..... just BARELY running.. Sounds cool as hell, but isnt normal... Not normal = not good.

Aaron Cake

iTrader: (1)

If you removed the split air pipe, there will be a large nipple at the back of the lower intake that is now exposed. Cap it.

Other than that...I have no idea...The only thing that keeps running through my mind is "huge vacuum leak....running rich"...

When I first started mine, I could not get the engine above 5000 RPM. It would just completely bog. The problem was that after the secondaries opened up, it just ran WAY rich. A little tuning on the S-AFC and the problem was solved.

Drakk0r

Maybe thats my problem then... I'm running the high pressure 255lt/hr Walbro with 680cc/min secondaries. And I had probs running extremely rich when the fuel system was stock... I should probably look into getting a new FPR (which I suspected to be the prob when the fuel system was stock). Anyone have one they wanna sell cheap?

Drakk0r

I'm still not entirely sure its the FPR, and wanna eliminate all other options before spending $90 on a new one.. So..... bump to the top.

hypntyz7

Try another TPS, or unplug your current one and see if it helps any. My t2 did the EXACT same thing when I first got it, hence th reason I now run with no TPS. IT would not let me boost or go past 4krpm most of the time, and never past 6000rpm. I have also seen variations of the same effect be a TPS.

Drakk0r

You run with no throttle position sensor?? Or are you talking about somthing else?

hypntyz7

I run with NO TPS, you read right. My engine runs on an afm, intake air sensor, 4 injectors, and boost sensor. There is nothing else on the engine.


YOu dont have to have a TPS to run. Some cars will not want to idle at first without it, and have to be readjusted. IM not suggesting this as a permanent solution for you unless you want it to be so, but rather a way to troubleshoot. IF you have spare TPS', try another.