Archangels

Hey guys, i'm getting an intercooler kit custom made for my car and was wondering if you have pics of the best piping setup....

thats about it....

any more tips would be greatly appreciated, as always....

:P

RotaryEvolution

iTrader: (30)

V mount


clean, straight in and out and looks nice however it doesn't cool as well as a FMIC. Greddy makes the cleanest straightest front mount kit i have seen.

Archangels

yeah there selling me a core and custom tig-welding the piping....

i'd like Vmount but i rather get a front mount....

:P

iceblue

I would jump all over V mount! The $ is alot!! more for V mount. You have to do more custom moding and fitment to the car and ducting.

RETed

Shortest...
Least amount of bends...
Slow, progressive bends...
Big enough to not choke the turbo...
Small enough to keep intake velocity up and lag down...


-Ted

Archangels

well what diameter piping should i use, and what should i steer the piping clear from....

i remember one guy posted his setup and there were a few flaws with hit, something about heat soak....

they quoted me a grand installed after tax and everything, thats canadian too....

RETed

Rule of thumb I use for IC piping diameters...
2.0" for up to 300hp at the wheels
2.5" for up to 400hp at the wheels
Over 400hp at the wheels, go 3.0".
Over 600hp, go to 3.5".

-Ted

Archangels

RETed, your my hero....

YearsOfDecay

RETed is my hero.. only for the fact that he lives on Fantasy Island.. *****!!!!

I have 2.5 Inch piping on a BNR stage III.. Haven't dynoed it, but from track times, its over 300.. should be 325 or better..

I actually think that the 2.5 is a bit large.. 2.25 or 2 i think might have been a better choice.....

Bukwild

yeah i will change from my fmic to a vmount setup later in the year. Shorter pipes with a large turbo will help eliminate lag. Larger turbo = more power

Archangels

yeah the guy suggested 2 1/4 piping and can go as big as 2.5inches....

which would you guys suggest?...

another question though, he asked if i wanted it powder coated or ceramic coated, or no coating at all.... whats the differences?...

i'll be running a BNR stage 3 for sure....

:P

Archangels

and one quick thing, do you think i will have any cooling issues concerning my rad?...

it's a upgraded stock one, or whatever, it has metel ends....

cardzrule

This forum is cornfusing!

If you have about 300 rwhp or maybe a bit more and 2.5 is a bit large and you think 2.25 or 2 might have been a better choice then that is pretty much what that RETed guy said but you act like he is totally wrong. I don't get it. YearsOfDecay are you just joking?

Archangels

the more flow you have the less boost you will be running from what i understand....

the bigger the turbo the more flow you need....

and since the intercooler is capable of 550hp i'll be using it as much as i can....

2.5inches should work prime....

.... i think....

RETed

If you have a choice, it is always safer to go smaller.
It's better to have the better response from the smaller pipe than bang your head with potential turbo lag increase from the bigger pipe.
Unless you know for sure that a certain pipe diameter combination + turbo will work, those above numbers I've put down are just guidelines...


-Ted

Archangels

yeah i wana run a BNR stage 3 in the near future but i will be running the front mount with the stock turbo for a little while....

i just looked in my engine bay, how the hell are they going to hav the piping comming out of each side of the engine bay, it doesent look right....

eep, help....

Carl Byck

2.5 is a proven perforner past 500whp. 3-4" will cause a noticable amount of lost spool on anything less than that IMHO. Carl

RETed

It can be done, but you need to think about it.

I'm almost ready to start finally getting my car ready for the big jump...

The intercooler is sitting in the garage.
The upgrade radiator will be ordered soon.
Hopefully it'll all be done over the next 2 to 3 weeks!

FMIC with no cutting?
Impossible?


-Ted

iceblue

SonicRat did his without cuting the body for his FMIC using 2.5in pipe.

Archangels

wow thats nuts guys, well they said they can do it, and for $1177 they dam well better, hahaha....

teknics

iTrader: (4)

it can be done without cutting, it all depends on where the inlet/outlet of your fmic is.

NPR style is easy if you finesse it, they really have the best inlet/outlet location ive seen, the hks style with them sticking straight out the sides requires more curves and too much piping. i might clock my turbo 180deg. just to make the piping even shorter anfd pretty much completely straight.

kevin.

vhold

Are there any cost effective mods/upgrades that can be made to enhance the performance of the stock location TMIC (besides icing it down)? I am getting a T04E-60 and as I understand it I am limited to about 10-12psi on the stock TMIC. Unless I want to break something :-)

An FMIC looks to be a pretty involved/expensive option. Plus I don't like the idea of more lag, I'm willing to trade some raw power for responsiveness, the car is a semi-daily driver for my personal amusement, not a competition car for weekends.

I was excited about the v-mount, until I learned that it requires cutting up the hood to really benefit from it - I'd like to keep the car externally as close to stock as possible. Plus I don't trust myself to do that kind of work, and hiring someone to do it is likely to cost big $$.