Allright then suit yourself for the second time. I will pull it out again for evryone.

I am sertain I do have exsperiance with it and judging by your responses you have none.

 

I think he's talking about pumping at extremely low pressure the LN2, through an atomizer of sorts, at which point I'd assume the LN2 vaporizes so rapidly and becomes gaseous again, rather than staying LN2 during it's entire travel through the intake.

 

Yeah, but I really want to see how iceblue's going to explain it.

 

I am working on it right now. This will take some time.

And yes SonicRat has it right on the nose.

 

LN2 lmao It just hit me I cant balive I forgot the term :-/

 

You guys need to read some chemistry books.

Liquid oxygen is an oxidizer...duh.
Look up what "oxidizer" means...

Take a bar of steel...add liquid oxygen, and under the right environment the steel will BURN.
Liquid oxygen by itself is not going to burn; add (liquid oxygen) plus and ignition source and it turns into a "oxidizer" which can cause most things not flammable to combust!

Like liquid hydrogen, it is very dangerous in the wrong hands.

N2O is "nitrous oxide" or NOS.
NO2 is "nitrogen oxide" and a totally different molecule...duh.
I don't think NO2 is a stable compound myself...


-Ted

 

Joking Ted!

(though, I at least knew LOx was an oxidizer, thus adding the fuel agent, LH2!)

 

Dude, you know I wasn't talking about you!
I'm talking about that ice...something-or-other guy.


-Ted

 

Yeah, I know, but I was trying to make it look less obvious!

 

So I read through all this and my head hurts.
It seems that this thread has evolved from cars to rockets.

I'm way at the bottom of the food chain here.
I just want an affordable way to boost a little more on my TMIC.

 

that's exactly what I'm looking for, and I believe water injection is your best shot.

 

Water sounds like the cheapest one to run, alcohol i what id like to do though. Money Money Money i'm poor. This sucks.

 

cool thread rat


Only read to about page 2 and gave up.


I've been thinking about doing 50/50 water/alcy injection w/ my stock mount intercooler as a sort of piggyback reliability mod so i can maybe run a little more boost or just for false peace of mind

Thinking of doing it in the bend on the IC just above the TB, and I was thinking of just using the windshield resevoir, would have an in dash low light already there, and 50/50 water/alcohol would still be just fine to use for your windshield, and since I'm in the desert, i I have not used my windshield sprayers once.......not once yet. I'm wondering how the bottle will hold up to alcy, im assuming it will be fine but it is 20 years old.......

Anyone know how much fluid those things hold?



and to anyone who says water is free......You're going to run tap water through your motor? I wouldn't......sort've why you don't run it in your coolant system, way too many minerals and **** floating around in there. Hell, I won't drink the tap water around here unless I'm forced to by lack of anything else and it gets up to 118* degrees 'round h'yar

 

Well Ted Nitrogen makes up 78.08% of the atmospher air. So........ :-/

N20 is I recal without looking it up is 2 parts ox and 1 par H where the normal air is more like 2h and 1 part ox. So if Lox was in a gas form would it not be a hyped version of N20

Your post above quoting me but you never once responded to what I said in the post... :-/

Anyways I need a few days to pull the data together and see how posible it would be to use LN2. I allready know how to store it and get it to the car. Now just need to add up how it will react at a sertain heat level and the metals. No Ln2 will not oxidize. It will turn to gas at 68f at a 1to694 ratio and does not suport combustion like N20.

 

N2O would be Two nitrogen, one oxygen.

LOx is just pure liquid oxygen, which would be a pure oxidizer for the combustion of whatever fuel you wish to use (in the joking case, LH2).

 

Well N x 2 + O Stupid "NOS" page tryd to recalculate it in a atempt to exsplain it. Oh well more simplifyd misinformation on the net :-/

 

Iceblue, where do you get your crap from? Like I said before, the boiling point of nitrogen is -321F.

 

You amaze me! I said turns to gas not boiling point. The boiling point of LN2 is Boiling Point @ 1 atm: -320.5°F (-195.8°C, 77oK) The Gas conversion is
Expansion Ratio, Liquid to Gas, BP to 68°F (20°C): 1 to 694
Try reading rianbow.

 

sorry, i made the mistake of assuming that your post was written in correct english. My mistake.

 

Again, I would disagree with the water, and say alcohol was the better solution, but either way, some form of water or water/alcohol, or straight alcohol will allow you some cushion when adding more boost to the stock interheater.

 

There's always rain water, which is much cleaner than tap.

I would use a 50/50 mix of water and methanol. It tends to produce a better effect than 100% methanol, probably because water facillitates the combustion process.

 

Oh, you gotta be kidding me right???

Just buy an RO filter!


-Ted

 

...**** I just wanna run 17 psi on my bnr stage 3 that is with a fmic of course and all the fuel mods required (720cc, 1000cc, cosmo fuel pump, ems, whatever ;p)
1.Is it safe putting alcohol in the winshield washer fluid tank? One bit of spark and boom.. not good
2.Is running the 50/50 alcohol/water safer to put in there) I seriously considered using pure alcohol like J-rat...but that just sounds too unsafe for me.
3.Link me to a great quality KIT that can be used to inject water or alcohol or the mixture of em both please .

 

Man, you guys make my head hurt!! Water injection can be great, but if you're gonna do it, you should be using Deionized water simply because it eliminates ALL the minerals content in the water. You won't precipitate minerals out to your engine components as the H2O is vaporized. This causes another problem in that DI water is highly corrosive and your lines will have to be 316 stainless or better. Which comes back to the point of alcohol. First the petroleum industry is currently testing a mixture of 85% ethanol with 15% gasoline right now in fleet and taxi vehicles. They are already starting to sell it at pumps in select markets.
The alcohol with be cheaper to buy ultimately, and it is established technology for the everyday guy to use. It can be purchased from bulk suppliers for under a buck a gallon in the lab grade derivitive. Ethanol has to be denatured so it doesn't fall under the BATF requirements. It can be stored at ambient temps in a vented container like water but it doesn't freeze. (Windshield washer fluid you buy is just simply 15% methanol and 85% water) Besides, could you imagine running around with a high pressure oxygen or HYDROGEN or nitrogen bottle in your car. Scares the heck out of me!!! Nitrous is an oxidizer also, and it already has well established fuel maps for it as well as delivery systems. Heck you could even use as a spray over your intercoolers as well as an oxidizer in your injection.---all off the same bottle!
Anyway, there is good arguments for any of it. Its all a matter of what you like and what you can afford. The only way to really find out which of all of them really works out best is to set it up on an engine dyno and make an apples to apples comparison. Oh, well, imagination is the mother of invention.
HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED ANHYDROUS HYDROGEN PEROXIDE? All you need is an articulating nozzle so you could make a left or right turn!! Talk about fire out the exhaust--one BIG puff and your at 3 G's and accelerating damn, that big brake sytem is gonna come in handy---hope I don't fry the pads!!!
Yah, I know, I'm being a smart *** here--but come on keep it simple, something the average street racer, or week end enthusiast can grasp.

 

as long as you don't live in LA


mmmm acid rain injection! the new hotness





and you think that ethanol would be dangerous to have stored in the engine bay? i know its flamable, but its pretty stable, does it have flamable fumes like gas?

my one friend has water injection and has his tank in the engine bay, he usually runs 50/50 water/alky