300hp 89 N/A
Newbie
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
From: Everett WA.
Originally Posted by Sideways7
True, you can get 300 flywheel hp with a bridge and an ITB setup, but I take any horsepower figures mentioned online as being wheel HP figures because there its not real way for 99.9% of people to find their true FWHP.
Last edited by redrex87; Oct 4, 2006 at 11:57 PM.
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 6,598
Likes: 10
From: Temple, Texas (Central)
Originally Posted by redrex87
Again.... why I never post..... HUH, dude? Who said anything about flywheel horsepower? I think it goes without saying that racing beats figures are in wheel HP.
Edit: I just looked at the RB page, and the only thing that reaches 300 HP on their sheet is a PPort engine, so I rest my case.
Last edited by Sideways7; Oct 5, 2006 at 12:02 AM.
Newbie
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
From: Everett WA.
Originally Posted by Sideways7
Classic auto did. I never said anything about racing beat. I was responding to classicauto stating that you can run a bridge port at 240-250 WHP, which is over 300 BHP.
Edit: I just looked at the RB page, and the only thing that reaches 300 HP on their sheet is a PPort engine, so I rest my case.
Edit: I just looked at the RB page, and the only thing that reaches 300 HP on their sheet is a PPort engine, so I rest my case.
The one thing that needs to be mentioned is average horsepower. That is what wins races, not peak power. A 200 hp turbo car will absolutely make a 200 hp n/a look stupid in an acceleration contest. Why? Average horsepower! The turbo makes more power across the powerband. The more power you want from an n/a, the higher the powerband gets and the narrower it gets. In other words your average power band is over a smaller and smaller total rpm range. A 300 peak hp n/a will get it's butt kicked by a 275 peak hp turbo car.
A stock T-II turbo maxed out to it's fullest can get you about 265 rwhp or so. Somewhere around there. Do you know how much money and effort you need to put into a 13B to get that much power? The turbo is definitely calm, tame, and easily streetable. It can be quiet and it could even be made street legal pretty easily. I know some people claim a peripheral port is streetable. Dream on! You can physically drive an F1 car down a street too. It isn't streetable. Streetable is a tame car that is quiet, gets decent gas mileage, can if necessary pass emissions, idles smoothly at a reasonable rpm (below 1000), and is smooth at lighter throttle levels and lower rpm's. You can have all of this with a turbo car. You can pass any peripheral port in power with a stock ported engine with nothing more than a decent turbo and some good tuning and you can do it with tons of room to spare.
A peripheral port is a cool thing. On a race car. Keep it there. On the street, average power is king. Forced induction has got it. Someone said the turbo cars will cry when they get beat by an n/a. Yeah sure they will. Then they'll just reach over, turn up the boost and return the favor. No n/a has as much potential for power and performance as even a modest turbo setup on a stock ported engine. You could even keep all of the creature comforts in the turbo car and strip the n/a down to a simple driving tin can and the same will still apply. If you have realistic goals for a car that is intended to be driven on the street, you'll shoot for a max of about 200 rwhp or so. Anything more than this and you'd better be thinking about a turbo or a different engine type.
A stock T-II turbo maxed out to it's fullest can get you about 265 rwhp or so. Somewhere around there. Do you know how much money and effort you need to put into a 13B to get that much power? The turbo is definitely calm, tame, and easily streetable. It can be quiet and it could even be made street legal pretty easily. I know some people claim a peripheral port is streetable. Dream on! You can physically drive an F1 car down a street too. It isn't streetable. Streetable is a tame car that is quiet, gets decent gas mileage, can if necessary pass emissions, idles smoothly at a reasonable rpm (below 1000), and is smooth at lighter throttle levels and lower rpm's. You can have all of this with a turbo car. You can pass any peripheral port in power with a stock ported engine with nothing more than a decent turbo and some good tuning and you can do it with tons of room to spare.
A peripheral port is a cool thing. On a race car. Keep it there. On the street, average power is king. Forced induction has got it. Someone said the turbo cars will cry when they get beat by an n/a. Yeah sure they will. Then they'll just reach over, turn up the boost and return the favor. No n/a has as much potential for power and performance as even a modest turbo setup on a stock ported engine. You could even keep all of the creature comforts in the turbo car and strip the n/a down to a simple driving tin can and the same will still apply. If you have realistic goals for a car that is intended to be driven on the street, you'll shoot for a max of about 200 rwhp or so. Anything more than this and you'd better be thinking about a turbo or a different engine type.
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 6,598
Likes: 10
From: Temple, Texas (Central)
Originally Posted by redrex87
Ah ok, you didn't quote.
And Rotarygod made an excellent point. A 300 hp NA would be really peaky and not very good for the street, while a 300hp turbo would be far more drivable. My current goal is 200 whp with my street ported s4/s5 hybrid.
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 8,789
Likes: 2
From: Jacksonville, NC
Originally Posted by rotarygod
The one thing that needs to be mentioned is average horsepower. That is what wins races, not peak power. A 200 hp turbo car will absolutely make a 200 hp n/a look stupid in an acceleration contest. Why? Average horsepower! The turbo makes more power across the powerband. The more power you want from an n/a, the higher the powerband gets and the narrower it gets. In other words your average power band is over a smaller and smaller total rpm range. A 300 peak hp n/a will get it's butt kicked by a 275 peak hp turbo car.
A stock T-II turbo maxed out to it's fullest can get you about 265 rwhp or so. Somewhere around there. Do you know how much money and effort you need to put into a 13B to get that much power? The turbo is definitely calm, tame, and easily streetable. It can be quiet and it could even be made street legal pretty easily. I know some people claim a peripheral port is streetable. Dream on! You can physically drive an F1 car down a street too. It isn't streetable. Streetable is a tame car that is quiet, gets decent gas mileage, can if necessary pass emissions, idles smoothly at a reasonable rpm (below 1000), and is smooth at lighter throttle levels and lower rpm's. You can have all of this with a turbo car. You can pass any peripheral port in power with a stock ported engine with nothing more than a decent turbo and some good tuning and you can do it with tons of room to spare.
A peripheral port is a cool thing. On a race car. Keep it there. On the street, average power is king. Forced induction has got it. Someone said the turbo cars will cry when they get beat by an n/a. Yeah sure they will. Then they'll just reach over, turn up the boost and return the favor. No n/a has as much potential for power and performance as even a modest turbo setup on a stock ported engine. You could even keep all of the creature comforts in the turbo car and strip the n/a down to a simple driving tin can and the same will still apply. If you have realistic goals for a car that is intended to be driven on the street, you'll shoot for a max of about 200 rwhp or so. Anything more than this and you'd better be thinking about a turbo or a different engine type.
A stock T-II turbo maxed out to it's fullest can get you about 265 rwhp or so. Somewhere around there. Do you know how much money and effort you need to put into a 13B to get that much power? The turbo is definitely calm, tame, and easily streetable. It can be quiet and it could even be made street legal pretty easily. I know some people claim a peripheral port is streetable. Dream on! You can physically drive an F1 car down a street too. It isn't streetable. Streetable is a tame car that is quiet, gets decent gas mileage, can if necessary pass emissions, idles smoothly at a reasonable rpm (below 1000), and is smooth at lighter throttle levels and lower rpm's. You can have all of this with a turbo car. You can pass any peripheral port in power with a stock ported engine with nothing more than a decent turbo and some good tuning and you can do it with tons of room to spare.
A peripheral port is a cool thing. On a race car. Keep it there. On the street, average power is king. Forced induction has got it. Someone said the turbo cars will cry when they get beat by an n/a. Yeah sure they will. Then they'll just reach over, turn up the boost and return the favor. No n/a has as much potential for power and performance as even a modest turbo setup on a stock ported engine. You could even keep all of the creature comforts in the turbo car and strip the n/a down to a simple driving tin can and the same will still apply. If you have realistic goals for a car that is intended to be driven on the street, you'll shoot for a max of about 200 rwhp or so. Anything more than this and you'd better be thinking about a turbo or a different engine type.
Now for the record, I'm not a "hater" persay... I don't mind N/A rotaries one bit... However, I would never claim them to be better, or cheaper, than a turbo setup...
Bongolio
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,556
Likes: 1
From: visalia,california
Originally Posted by rotarygod
The one thing that needs to be mentioned is average horsepower. That is what wins races, not peak power. A 200 hp turbo car will absolutely make a 200 hp n/a look stupid in an acceleration contest. Why? Average horsepower! The turbo makes more power across the powerband. The more power you want from an n/a, the higher the powerband gets and the narrower it gets. In other words your average power band is over a smaller and smaller total rpm range. A 300 peak hp n/a will get it's butt kicked by a 275 peak hp turbo car.
A stock T-II turbo maxed out to it's fullest can get you about 265 rwhp or so. Somewhere around there. Do you know how much money and effort you need to put into a 13B to get that much power? The turbo is definitely calm, tame, and easily streetable. It can be quiet and it could even be made street legal pretty easily. I know some people claim a peripheral port is streetable. Dream on! You can physically drive an F1 car down a street too. It isn't streetable. Streetable is a tame car that is quiet, gets decent gas mileage, can if necessary pass emissions, idles smoothly at a reasonable rpm (below 1000), and is smooth at lighter throttle levels and lower rpm's. You can have all of this with a turbo car. You can pass any peripheral port in power with a stock ported engine with nothing more than a decent turbo and some good tuning and you can do it with tons of room to spare.
A peripheral port is a cool thing. On a race car. Keep it there. On the street, average power is king. Forced induction has got it. Someone said the turbo cars will cry when they get beat by an n/a. Yeah sure they will. Then they'll just reach over, turn up the boost and return the favor. No n/a has as much potential for power and performance as even a modest turbo setup on a stock ported engine. You could even keep all of the creature comforts in the turbo car and strip the n/a down to a simple driving tin can and the same will still apply. If you have realistic goals for a car that is intended to be driven on the street, you'll shoot for a max of about 200 rwhp or so. Anything more than this and you'd better be thinking about a turbo or a different engine type.
A stock T-II turbo maxed out to it's fullest can get you about 265 rwhp or so. Somewhere around there. Do you know how much money and effort you need to put into a 13B to get that much power? The turbo is definitely calm, tame, and easily streetable. It can be quiet and it could even be made street legal pretty easily. I know some people claim a peripheral port is streetable. Dream on! You can physically drive an F1 car down a street too. It isn't streetable. Streetable is a tame car that is quiet, gets decent gas mileage, can if necessary pass emissions, idles smoothly at a reasonable rpm (below 1000), and is smooth at lighter throttle levels and lower rpm's. You can have all of this with a turbo car. You can pass any peripheral port in power with a stock ported engine with nothing more than a decent turbo and some good tuning and you can do it with tons of room to spare.
A peripheral port is a cool thing. On a race car. Keep it there. On the street, average power is king. Forced induction has got it. Someone said the turbo cars will cry when they get beat by an n/a. Yeah sure they will. Then they'll just reach over, turn up the boost and return the favor. No n/a has as much potential for power and performance as even a modest turbo setup on a stock ported engine. You could even keep all of the creature comforts in the turbo car and strip the n/a down to a simple driving tin can and the same will still apply. If you have realistic goals for a car that is intended to be driven on the street, you'll shoot for a max of about 200 rwhp or so. Anything more than this and you'd better be thinking about a turbo or a different engine type.
Bongolio
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,556
Likes: 1
From: visalia,california
Originally Posted by 13b4me
Obviously there are alot of people who fail to comprehend these very simple concepts...
Now for the record, I'm not a "hater" persay... I don't mind N/A rotaries one bit... However, I would never claim them to be better, or cheaper, than a turbo setup...
Now for the record, I'm not a "hater" persay... I don't mind N/A rotaries one bit... However, I would never claim them to be better, or cheaper, than a turbo setup...
Wish all of us could see it this way.
Dork
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 125
Likes: 0
From: Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Originally Posted by KhanArtisT
HAHAHA, ignorance? The subject of this thread is ******* ignorant. 
And thanks for the info on the Camdens....
By the way, does anyone else feel that once you replace a n/a engine with a T2 engine and transmission, its not the same car anymore? The thought of doing it to a n/a in perfect running condition makes me uneasy. But if it is a non-running junker, then by all means. One more 7 on the road is always a good thing.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
mulcryant
2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992)
10
Sep 9, 2015 05:24 PM
