19psi on stock IC and Injectors...
09-03-03, 04:48 PM
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You can't hit 19 psi on a stock turbo in 1st or 2nd gear, not even with the wastegate completely closed and a very free flowing exhaust. I'm guessing this was 3rd gear and up. He did say he has a Haltech though and that there is very high octane gas so it could theoretically be tuned so it won't blow up. I'm willing to bet however that the car made more power at 14 or 15 psi than it did at 19psi. Since I can't see his injector setup or fuel pump I'm not going to speculate if the fuel was there or not. Yes, the turbo can do 19 psi but it is far past efficient and definitely not going to be any faster. More boost is not always more power. Try 19 psi on a completely bone stock T-II and see how long it lasts. The results would be much different.
09-03-03, 04:51 PM
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I said:
He said:
Stating he didn't detonate... yet previously he said not all knock is audible... but... if he had no accurate way of measuring if there was knock or not, how the hell does he know?
This has been my point all along. If Captain Hitachi over here was bright enough to practice his own medicine, and READ what I WROTE... or better yet, READ WHAT HE WROTE, perhaps he'd understand a little better instead of speaking in circles.
Welp, to end it -- your *** is lucky. You probably detonated like a bitch... and god knows whether or not you weakened your motor by cracking an apex seal. I'd do a compression check mighty quick, and if any signs of failed apex seal show, rebuild it before starting it again, or you will chew it up. Also count your lucky stars. Twice.
I didnt.
I didnt.
I already have. It was still fine.
I have.
I didnt.
I already have. It was still fine.
I have.
This has been my point all along. If Captain Hitachi over here was bright enough to practice his own medicine, and READ what I WROTE... or better yet, READ WHAT HE WROTE, perhaps he'd understand a little better instead of speaking in circles.
09-03-03, 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by rotarygod
Since I can't see his injector setup or fuel pump I'm not going to speculate if the fuel was there or not.
Since I can't see his injector setup or fuel pump I'm not going to speculate if the fuel was there or not.
09-03-03, 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by adamlewis
I ran it like that all night though. For at least a good 3 hours.
I ran it like that all night though. For at least a good 3 hours.
Originally posted by adamlewis
It was a one time mistake that yielded some suprising results. Take it or leave it.
It was a one time mistake that yielded some suprising results. Take it or leave it.
Originally posted by adamlewis
Im failing to see what the problem is here...Why do I need to check my boost gauge again?
Im failing to see what the problem is here...Why do I need to check my boost gauge again?
09-03-03, 08:29 PM
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I call BS. I have been in a customer's car, with him showing me how well it went, and watched on the wideband as the engine went lean and detonated at 13 psi.
Identical mods, save an FPR.
Identical mods, save an FPR.
09-03-03, 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by Evil Aviator
OK, but...
Hmm, so let me get this straight... It was a "one time mistake" that you did for "at least a good 3 hours".
Because something is wrong here. Either it's the gauge or you. Take it or leave it.
OK, but...
Hmm, so let me get this straight... It was a "one time mistake" that you did for "at least a good 3 hours".
Because something is wrong here. Either it's the gauge or you. Take it or leave it.
Like I said many times before, my gauge isnt off.
Forget it all. You all must be right. My car never saw 19psi. Hell, it blew up a long time ago on 15psi because the stock fuel system cant run much more than 11psi.
09-03-03, 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by scathcart
I call BS. I have been in a customer's car, with him showing me how well it went, and watched on the wideband as the engine went lean and detonated at 13 psi.
Identical mods, save an FPR.
I call BS. I have been in a customer's car, with him showing me how well it went, and watched on the wideband as the engine went lean and detonated at 13 psi.
Identical mods, save an FPR.
If you want a video of 15psi, Ill be more than happy to supply it, but Im not stupid enough to risk my luck at 19 again.
09-03-03, 08:36 PM
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Originally posted by Fingers
I said:
He said:
Stating he didn't detonate... yet previously he said not all knock is audible... but... if he had no accurate way of measuring if there was knock or not, how the hell does he know?
This has been my point all along. If Captain Hitachi over here was bright enough to practice his own medicine, and READ what I WROTE... or better yet, READ WHAT HE WROTE, perhaps he'd understand a little better instead of speaking in circles.
I said:
He said:
Stating he didn't detonate... yet previously he said not all knock is audible... but... if he had no accurate way of measuring if there was knock or not, how the hell does he know?
This has been my point all along. If Captain Hitachi over here was bright enough to practice his own medicine, and READ what I WROTE... or better yet, READ WHAT HE WROTE, perhaps he'd understand a little better instead of speaking in circles.
Originally posted by adamlewis
Did you bother to read earlier where I said there was no audible knock and that I was also aware that not all knock is indeed audible?
I guess not...
If you had, logic would have lead you to assume that I was restating the same thing, in fewer words.
Did you bother to read earlier where I said there was no audible knock and that I was also aware that not all knock is indeed audible?
I guess not...
If you had, logic would have lead you to assume that I was restating the same thing, in fewer words.
09-03-03, 08:38 PM
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Originally posted by 1987RX7guy
why not if you did it for 3 hours you only need to do it for like 10 sec.
why not if you did it for 3 hours you only need to do it for like 10 sec.
I remember back in the day when ATF was the great thing to do. Now it hurts the engine.
I remember when 3mm seals > god. Now 2mm are the best.
If you want to think that 19psi isnt possible, you go on believing that.
09-03-03, 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by adamlewis
You can call BS. I dont really care. I know what happened and thats all that really matters. It seems nobody is gonna belive me anyways.
If you want a video of 15psi, Ill be more than happy to supply it, but Im not stupid enough to risk my luck at 19 again.
You can call BS. I dont really care. I know what happened and thats all that really matters. It seems nobody is gonna belive me anyways.
If you want a video of 15psi, Ill be more than happy to supply it, but Im not stupid enough to risk my luck at 19 again.
Either you admit your mistake and retract all of your above statements, or you stand by you statements that b/c no one else has boosted to 19psi before, and you got away with it, it must be fine for all stock fuel systems?
Of course I don't believe you. Why should I? I have watched a car running 6 psi less boost and more fuel mods run lean and pop a motor, watching the entire event an a UEGO lambda.
Your posts show a complete ignorance towards modifying and tuning a car properly, so I doubt you have the skills to pull this off. You don't datalog, monitor intake temps, A/F, EGT's, knock sensing, anything. I feel sorry for your car; its going to have a short life.
You're so quick to shoot down logic and answers from those who have been there and done that, especially in a case where you so define relaity and logic. No one owes you any answers; you need to explain how you get by the seemingly impossible, with the foremost question being:
How do you get the stock turbo to boost to 19psi?
09-03-03, 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by adamlewis
Because I have nothing to prove to you all. If you want to go on living under the assumption that all the tribal knowledge you pick up here is correct, well...Ignorance is bliss I suppose.
I remember back in the day when ATF was the great thing to do. Now it hurts the engine.
I remember when 3mm seals > god. Now 2mm are the best.
If you want to think that 19psi isnt possible, you go on believing that.
Because I have nothing to prove to you all. If you want to go on living under the assumption that all the tribal knowledge you pick up here is correct, well...Ignorance is bliss I suppose.
I remember back in the day when ATF was the great thing to do. Now it hurts the engine.
I remember when 3mm seals > god. Now 2mm are the best.
If you want to think that 19psi isnt possible, you go on believing that.
09-04-03, 06:35 AM
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Originally posted by scathcart
Why not? By your logic, since no one else has done it, you think it should be fine.
Either you admit your mistake and retract all of your above statements, or you stand by you statements that b/c no one else has boosted to 19psi before, and you got away with it, it must be fine for all stock fuel systems?
Of course I don't believe you. Why should I? I have watched a car running 6 psi less boost and more fuel mods run lean and pop a motor, watching the entire event an a UEGO lambda.
Your posts show a complete ignorance towards modifying and tuning a car properly, so I doubt you have the skills to pull this off. You don't datalog, monitor intake temps, A/F, EGT's, knock sensing, anything. I feel sorry for your car; its going to have a short life.
You're so quick to shoot down logic and answers from those who have been there and done that, especially in a case where you so define relaity and logic. No one owes you any answers; you need to explain how you get by the seemingly impossible, with the foremost question being:
How do you get the stock turbo to boost to 19psi?
Why not? By your logic, since no one else has done it, you think it should be fine.
Either you admit your mistake and retract all of your above statements, or you stand by you statements that b/c no one else has boosted to 19psi before, and you got away with it, it must be fine for all stock fuel systems?
Of course I don't believe you. Why should I? I have watched a car running 6 psi less boost and more fuel mods run lean and pop a motor, watching the entire event an a UEGO lambda.
Your posts show a complete ignorance towards modifying and tuning a car properly, so I doubt you have the skills to pull this off. You don't datalog, monitor intake temps, A/F, EGT's, knock sensing, anything. I feel sorry for your car; its going to have a short life.
You're so quick to shoot down logic and answers from those who have been there and done that, especially in a case where you so define relaity and logic. No one owes you any answers; you need to explain how you get by the seemingly impossible, with the foremost question being:
How do you get the stock turbo to boost to 19psi?
Seems kinda odd seeing as how its been running at 15psi for a couple months now...
09-04-03, 02:38 PM
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for the record, as he stated, it was a trick question. he accidentally (but for 3 hours is still confusing) hit 19psi. like he said, its not efficient. hell, we'll say its making 100hp, fine. all he is saying is that he hit 19psi, i imagine on several occasions within 3 hours one night, and his engine still runs. also claims the compression is still good. i think the reason he wants the data is so he can see how. he mechanically knows that he hit 19psi with his given setup and, unless dwarves and elves switched his engine without knowing it, is still driving the same car with the same engine.
i believe him, personally. i guess it could be one big lie, and if i knew all there was to know about engines, i could try and mathematically find out just as he seems to want to do. but then again, the same year a man was said to mathematically prove that flying was impossible (1903?), a plane flew. on paper that plane never made it off the ground, but i'll be damned if anyone is gonna tell me i've never flown.
i believe him, personally. i guess it could be one big lie, and if i knew all there was to know about engines, i could try and mathematically find out just as he seems to want to do. but then again, the same year a man was said to mathematically prove that flying was impossible (1903?), a plane flew. on paper that plane never made it off the ground, but i'll be damned if anyone is gonna tell me i've never flown.
09-04-03, 11:43 PM
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Originally posted by casio
for the record, as he stated, it was a trick question. he accidentally (but for 3 hours is still confusing) hit 19psi. like he said, its not efficient. hell, we'll say its making 100hp, fine. all he is saying is that he hit 19psi, i imagine on several occasions within 3 hours one night, and his engine still runs. also claims the compression is still good. i think the reason he wants the data is so he can see how. he mechanically knows that he hit 19psi with his given setup and, unless dwarves and elves switched his engine without knowing it, is still driving the same car with the same engine.
i believe him, personally. i guess it could be one big lie, and if i knew all there was to know about engines, i could try and mathematically find out just as he seems to want to do. but then again, the same year a man was said to mathematically prove that flying was impossible (1903?), a plane flew. on paper that plane never made it off the ground, but i'll be damned if anyone is gonna tell me i've never flown.
for the record, as he stated, it was a trick question. he accidentally (but for 3 hours is still confusing) hit 19psi. like he said, its not efficient. hell, we'll say its making 100hp, fine. all he is saying is that he hit 19psi, i imagine on several occasions within 3 hours one night, and his engine still runs. also claims the compression is still good. i think the reason he wants the data is so he can see how. he mechanically knows that he hit 19psi with his given setup and, unless dwarves and elves switched his engine without knowing it, is still driving the same car with the same engine.
i believe him, personally. i guess it could be one big lie, and if i knew all there was to know about engines, i could try and mathematically find out just as he seems to want to do. but then again, the same year a man was said to mathematically prove that flying was impossible (1903?), a plane flew. on paper that plane never made it off the ground, but i'll be damned if anyone is gonna tell me i've never flown.
09-04-03, 11:48 PM
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Originally posted by scathcart
Of course I don't believe you. Why should I? I have watched a car running 6 psi less boost and more fuel mods run lean and pop a motor, watching the entire event an a UEGO lambda.
Of course I don't believe you. Why should I? I have watched a car running 6 psi less boost and more fuel mods run lean and pop a motor, watching the entire event an a UEGO lambda.
), 9.928ms IOT, 73% duty cycle, 16degrees advance.Id post a jpg of the whole datalog if I knew how to, but as of right now I dont...
But you said the engine was supposed to blow up? Hmm.....
09-05-03, 12:51 PM
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Please post the datalog. Also, redo it and run the roms a little higher... I'd like 6500 rpm, thanks.
For triple the stock boost, you're sure not making more power, provided your datalog is even correct.
Yes, I would like more proof. But then again, you said you had nothing to prove? Pick a side, or you look like a hypocrite.
For triple the stock boost, you're sure not making more power, provided your datalog is even correct.
Yes, I would like more proof. But then again, you said you had nothing to prove? Pick a side, or you look like a hypocrite.
09-05-03, 02:04 PM
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