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06-02-08, 02:11 AM
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The government does however have the power to use events like rising gas prices to manipulate the perception of reality of its population as it sees fit.
06-02-08, 12:32 PM
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Um, the US has had them since the 1960's.
My point is that there WAS an alternative years ago, and it still exists today. Well, an alternative to gasoline anyway. Example:
http://www.intergalactichydrogen.com/
Media - Scare people into reading/listening to their product to increase their volume, and therefore increase their revenue. Scary news sells, boring news doesn't, and the truth is not as important as profit.
Government - Scare people into voting a certain way.
Just look at how many people on this forum are concerned about the price of gas right now. You may have noticed that I am not concerned because I understand the industry and therefore the propaganda does not affect me in this case.
My point is that there WAS an alternative years ago, and it still exists today. Well, an alternative to gasoline anyway. Example:
http://www.intergalactichydrogen.com/
Media - Scare people into reading/listening to their product to increase their volume, and therefore increase their revenue. Scary news sells, boring news doesn't, and the truth is not as important as profit.
Government - Scare people into voting a certain way.
Just look at how many people on this forum are concerned about the price of gas right now. You may have noticed that I am not concerned because I understand the industry and therefore the propaganda does not affect me in this case.
06-02-08, 12:40 PM
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Um, what problems?[/QUOTE]
During the Reagan, he woud vetoed other sources of alternative fuel and nixon did not push hard on the issue.
Rising fuel prices=high products that consumers need
But I thought the Iraq war was all about oil? So either it was a lie that the war was all about oil, or it was a lie that the current price of oil has something to do with the Iraq war. So which is it?[/QUOTE]
The war in Iraq has something to do with the oil prices. Since the war Iraq has not been producing oil like it was before. And some of its oil refineries have been under attack, slowing down the production.
No, gas prices are NOT expensive. Even lower class citizens in most Western nations can afford to drive.[/QUOTE]
I highly disagree, lower class citizens (people living in poverty) use other means. I know for a fact that in Dominican Republic as well as other 3rd world countries propane gas is used to fuel the car. They might be driving but they are not using oil but propane gas. I remember my dad did a conversion one to a dodge truck he had. In Brazil (i was told) that they have vehicles that run on some type of alcohol. I'm not sure what type of acohol, but he told me that the are not strong cars maybe like 50whp or so. Many 3rd world countries fall back on motorcycles, since it is cheaper to use and to maintain.
During the Reagan, he woud vetoed other sources of alternative fuel and nixon did not push hard on the issue.
Rising fuel prices=high products that consumers need
But I thought the Iraq war was all about oil? So either it was a lie that the war was all about oil, or it was a lie that the current price of oil has something to do with the Iraq war. So which is it?[/QUOTE]
The war in Iraq has something to do with the oil prices. Since the war Iraq has not been producing oil like it was before. And some of its oil refineries have been under attack, slowing down the production.
No, gas prices are NOT expensive. Even lower class citizens in most Western nations can afford to drive.[/QUOTE]
I highly disagree, lower class citizens (people living in poverty) use other means. I know for a fact that in Dominican Republic as well as other 3rd world countries propane gas is used to fuel the car. They might be driving but they are not using oil but propane gas. I remember my dad did a conversion one to a dodge truck he had. In Brazil (i was told) that they have vehicles that run on some type of alcohol. I'm not sure what type of acohol, but he told me that the are not strong cars maybe like 50whp or so. Many 3rd world countries fall back on motorcycles, since it is cheaper to use and to maintain.
06-02-08, 12:50 PM
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Um, the US has had them since the 1960's.
My point is that there WAS an alternative years ago, and it still exists today. Well, an alternative to gasoline anyway. Example:
http://www.intergalactichydrogen.com/
Media - Scare people into reading/listening to their product to increase their volume, and therefore increase their revenue. Scary news sells, boring news doesn't, and the truth is not as important as profit.
Government - Scare people into voting a certain way.
Just look at how many people on this forum are concerned about the price of gas right now. You may have noticed that I am not concerned because I understand the industry and therefore the propaganda does not affect me in this case.
My point is that there WAS an alternative years ago, and it still exists today. Well, an alternative to gasoline anyway. Example:
http://www.intergalactichydrogen.com/
Media - Scare people into reading/listening to their product to increase their volume, and therefore increase their revenue. Scary news sells, boring news doesn't, and the truth is not as important as profit.
Government - Scare people into voting a certain way.
Just look at how many people on this forum are concerned about the price of gas right now. You may have noticed that I am not concerned because I understand the industry and therefore the propaganda does not affect me in this case.
Yes the government has always manipulated the news, and it will always do it to achieve its purpose i.e. Iraqi War
Yes, the U.S. has them but it is still not safe to use, it could have been safe to use if the presidents on that era would have help fund those organizations to further develow the technology. GM expects to have them out by 2012 or 2017 (quote me if i'm wrong)
People across America are cutting down on their expenses big time. Six flags has been giving out more incentives so people could come to their parks (At least in Jersey) less people are traveling, but staying local. Less people are flying and driving long distances.
06-02-08, 04:48 PM
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http://www.space.com/news/051128_rutan_interview.html
Sure they are safe, it's just that there have not been any regular production hydrogen cars yet (even Iceland's cars were only a batch of 10 units). Besides, electric cars have been available for decades, as well as cars running on CNG, vegetable oil, and alcohol.
Good, Americans waste entirely too much money. I know some people who spend more money on cable TV or fancy cell phone service than they do on gasoline, and of course they say they are "too poor" to afford an IRA or health insurance, lol.
Yes, theme parks are one of the unfortunate victims of economic fear mongering.
06-02-08, 06:01 PM
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I agree with everything you said with the exeption of on how the government spend tax payers money (besides the waste of money on the Iraqi war) the goverment wastes money on useless research. For example, it was on the news that the government had a grant for studying potatoes (i don't remember the amount of money, but it was in the 6 figures). The government does have bad spending of tax money.
I was not referring to the Equinox. Chevy is coming out with a 100% (quote me if i'm wrong) electric vehicle, that you recharge at home from your wall outlet. That's the one product that they are still working on, but they are still having some problems because it catches fire.
Yeah you are right about the bad spending... The oil prices are a wake up call for a lot of people that never really budget it, and it is also causing hardship on many people that even though they budget they do not make enough money to get what is really important for their families... (not referring to Rx-8 as a family car) but you know what i'm trying to say here right....
I was not referring to the Equinox. Chevy is coming out with a 100% (quote me if i'm wrong) electric vehicle, that you recharge at home from your wall outlet. That's the one product that they are still working on, but they are still having some problems because it catches fire.
Yeah you are right about the bad spending... The oil prices are a wake up call for a lot of people that never really budget it, and it is also causing hardship on many people that even though they budget they do not make enough money to get what is really important for their families... (not referring to Rx-8 as a family car) but you know what i'm trying to say here right....
06-03-08, 12:15 PM
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Diesel would have to go up significantly more before it would be more expensive to drive than a car or truck that runs on regular.
I have a VW Jetta TDI as my DD, it gets about 43-44 MPG avg with mixed driving mostly city and 50+ hwy. An econo care of comparable size and weight with a 4cyl, such as the same care with the base gas engine gets at best 32-33 MPG hwy, and 28MPG mixed. Thats about 34% less miles per gallon with the cost of fuel about 25% more I still save money. Same goes for a medium truck that gets 22 MPG instead of 13.
And for anyone that puts anything but the lowest octane gas available in a N/A rx7, you are just wasting money, the thing runs best on the cheap stuff.
I have a VW Jetta TDI as my DD, it gets about 43-44 MPG avg with mixed driving mostly city and 50+ hwy. An econo care of comparable size and weight with a 4cyl, such as the same care with the base gas engine gets at best 32-33 MPG hwy, and 28MPG mixed. Thats about 34% less miles per gallon with the cost of fuel about 25% more I still save money. Same goes for a medium truck that gets 22 MPG instead of 13.
And for anyone that puts anything but the lowest octane gas available in a N/A rx7, you are just wasting money, the thing runs best on the cheap stuff.
06-03-08, 02:15 PM
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Diesel would have to go up significantly more before it would be more expensive to drive than a car or truck that runs on regular.
I have a VW Jetta TDI as my DD, it gets about 43-44 MPG avg with mixed driving mostly city and 50+ hwy. An econo care of comparable size and weight with a 4cyl, such as the same care with the base gas engine gets at best 32-33 MPG hwy, and 28MPG mixed. Thats about 34% less miles per gallon with the cost of fuel about 25% more I still save money.
I have a VW Jetta TDI as my DD, it gets about 43-44 MPG avg with mixed driving mostly city and 50+ hwy. An econo care of comparable size and weight with a 4cyl, such as the same care with the base gas engine gets at best 32-33 MPG hwy, and 28MPG mixed. Thats about 34% less miles per gallon with the cost of fuel about 25% more I still save money.
Plus if the diesel has a Bosch mechanical diesel pump, just run it on 50/50 diesel and Rape seed oil in the summer!
Other diesel pumps tend not to cope so well.
06-03-08, 06:00 PM
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Lost you there... what you trying to say? that low octane is good or that high octane is no good? is sort of contradicting...
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