Turbo limit???

Old Aug 24, 2007 | 08:45 PM
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Turbo limit???

Today I started tuning again for more boost in preporation for some dyno runs next week. I've hit a wall at 24psi then drops to 22psi at highet rpms. I would think I've maxed out the turbo allready. MY AVC-R duy cycle at off=15psi,35%=20psi, 40%=22psi, then at 45% to 70% = 24psi then falls off to 22.
I really don'r think I've maxed out the 80mm turbo. I tried 1.32 & 1.15 A/R exhaust housings with no change other that a few hundred rpms of spool time. I've double checked all vacume lines, connecters, pipes, etc.

Any ideas of something I missed?

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Old Aug 25, 2007 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by IronMdnX
Today I started tuning again for more boost in preporation for some dyno runs next week. I've hit a wall at 24psi then drops to 22psi at highet rpms. I would think I've maxed out the turbo allready. MY AVC-R duy cycle at off=15psi,35%=20psi, 40%=22psi, then at 45% to 70% = 24psi then falls off to 22.
I really don'r think I've maxed out the 80mm turbo. I tried 1.32 & 1.15 A/R exhaust housings with no change other that a few hundred rpms of spool time. I've double checked all vacume lines, connecters, pipes, etc.

Any ideas of something I missed?

Jered
Any boost controller can only go a certain amount above wastegate spring pressure, and still be accurate. I try to stick to only 10lbs over spring, and it sounds like you are 15lbs over spring? Maybe stick in a 20psi wastegate spring and try for more boost then.
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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 07:06 PM
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Any boost controller can only go a certain amount above wastegate spring pressure, and still be accurate. I try to stick to only 10lbs over spring, and it sounds like you are 15lbs over spring? Maybe stick in a 20psi wastegate spring and try for more boost then.

OK So I shimmed the wastegate spring. Now I get 21 psi w/o avc-r and it starts gained just a bit with the controller 25 then drops to 23.

I would be suprised if I am flowing over 100lbs of air at that rate.

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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 09:00 PM
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I would be suprised if I am flowing over 100lbs of air at that rate.
Have you measured the pressure drop between the compressor and the intake manifold? The turbo could be running around a 2.8 PR, in which case there could be a 100lb/min airflow rate if the engine has a good VE due to porting.
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 05:59 AM
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I measured the compressor wheel and its correct. I was thinking they may have sent my an incorrect turbo.

I'll take a reading off the compressor outlet vs. manifold pressure, just for curriosity sake.

The motor has Judge Ito ports. With messing with a few turbo calculators a 100+ lbs is possible.
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Originally Posted by IronMdnX
I measured the compressor wheel and its correct. I was thinking they may have sent my an incorrect turbo.

I'll take a reading off the compressor outlet vs. manifold pressure, just for curriosity sake.

The motor has Judge Ito ports. With messing with a few turbo calculators a 100+ lbs is possible.
Do you think you are running over 680rwhp?
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Old Aug 29, 2007 | 08:43 AM
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ported at 24 psi he damn well ought to be!

i think it is quite possible that you are over the flow limit of the turbo. 100#/min=~850 bhp on a rotary. figure 18% drivetrain loss, thats ~700rwhp, which seems like a very reasonable number for that boost level
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I'll know soon. I've verified everything I can so there is little downtime at the dyno. I ended up taking the air cleaner off and it helped a little.

As for pressure drop, I have about 2 psi pressure drop from the port on the turbo outlet to the inake manifold.


I searched and found an old post from a guy is russia with basicly the same setup. He made 780rwhp with a Inovative 80mm.

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...ighlight=gt80r
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Old Sep 5, 2007 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by IronMdnX
I'll know soon. I've verified everything I can so there is little downtime at the dyno. I ended up taking the air cleaner off and it helped a little.

As for pressure drop, I have about 2 psi pressure drop from the port on the turbo outlet to the inake manifold.


I searched and found an old post from a guy is russia with basicly the same setup. He made 780rwhp with a Inovative 80mm.

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...ighlight=gt80r
So how much power are you making at 21psi and 24psi? Should be close to 900whp at 24psi...
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Old Sep 5, 2007 | 09:52 PM
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It would be nice to see over 850, but i don't think the turbo will do that for a rotary aplication. I'm not going to risk a motor running leaner than a 11.5AFR.
I'll find out shortly what kinda power it has. I had to postpone the dyno this week, because I am going to Pheonix area for a few days to check out a casino / resort we might be building next spring.
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Old Sep 5, 2007 | 11:12 PM
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what series is your block?
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