problem with brand new 20b crate motor
09-04-10, 10:35 AM
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I just went back and re-read this post of mine and want to reiterate that I'm speaking in the grander scheme, not talking completely about this specific thread or the people posting in it. Just so no one gets the wrong idea 
David, to be clear, I wasn't referring to you with my post. Good seeing you this past weekend, and I'm glad you made it back home safely 
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A lot of the armchair quarterbacks have no idea what it takes to run a shop. It's easy to sit at the keyboard and sling arrows or spew poison against a competitor or a shop that someone has animosity toward.
I know for a fact that RP is extremely busy with a loooong line of engine builds in the hopper. Why should one engine get bumped ahead of 12 others?
Basically, opinions are like ********, and everyone on this board has one. They're usually uninformed opinions too--- you get what you pay for, lol. I've just seen the stupidity level skyrocket all over this forum in the last year, and it really makes me shake my head.
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A lot of the armchair quarterbacks have no idea what it takes to run a shop. It's easy to sit at the keyboard and sling arrows or spew poison against a competitor or a shop that someone has animosity toward.
I know for a fact that RP is extremely busy with a loooong line of engine builds in the hopper. Why should one engine get bumped ahead of 12 others?
Basically, opinions are like ********, and everyone on this board has one. They're usually uninformed opinions too--- you get what you pay for, lol. I've just seen the stupidity level skyrocket all over this forum in the last year, and it really makes me shake my head.
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09-06-10, 10:21 PM
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What some do not seem to understand is that an intact motor looks nice and tidy. Once torn down, inspected and everything tagged parts are everywhere. Now imagine that there were 10 disassembled motors how much space that would take up. Now the fun part, what if something gets misplaced (shi. Happens) What about "do it once ,do it right." Maybe he would not be in the situation he is in now. By the way did you check the ceramics inside the sparkplugs to see if they were intact? It has happened before.
09-07-10, 08:48 PM
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I'm not sure what point you are trying to convey. but if its that I have cut corners with my build I can assure you i have not. yes the plugs are fine.
I spoke with Ari today about ordering the new housing and he said he was so confident that it was the problem that If he was wrong he would cover the cost of the new housing.
I spoke with Ari today about ordering the new housing and he said he was so confident that it was the problem that If he was wrong he would cover the cost of the new housing.
09-08-10, 12:37 AM
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13b rew housings. New 20b housings are nearly impossible to find and my enine builder felt they would be better. The only down side I see is that they aren't stamped 20b
09-09-10, 06:54 PM
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What some do not seem to understand is that an intact motor looks nice and tidy. Once torn down, inspected and everything tagged parts are everywhere. Now imagine that there were 10 disassembled motors how much space that would take up. Now the fun part, what if something gets misplaced (shi. Happens) What about "do it once ,do it right." Maybe he would not be in the situation he is in now. By the way did you check the ceramics inside the sparkplugs to see if they were intact? It has happened before.
I have 5 (1 FE, 3 FD, & 1 FC motors) torn down right now in an area much smaller than RP and that isn't a problem.
To rotorooter I am sure it will turn out good. Sometimes it happens and you just have to bear down and fight through it.
Are you in Edmond?
09-22-10, 11:35 AM
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Yes sir. E-town for me. I head back from Ari yesterday. Adam at rotary specialties has made a new ported and dowel pinned housing and is sending it to Ari ASAP. so hopefully I will be going soon. fingers crossed.
09-29-10, 01:30 AM
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I have a body that im trying to get the body shop to finish up. black 93 r1 no spoiler . It was completely stripped down to bear metal all over including the engine bay and interior and repainted black. black interior. pettit flares molded. HRE 848r 18's wheels 255 front 335 rear with flat black spokes and gloss black lip. flat blacked exhaust, flat black intercooler and flat black oil cooler kit no badges. and evo r headlights. they are painting it as we speak i hope to have it in a month at most.
09-29-10, 01:31 AM
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Ari told me he is as sure as he can be without opening the motor. he also told me that if he is wrong he will eat the cost of the new housing. so if he is wrong i dont lose anything.
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well he cant move very fast at putting the motor back together when he doesn't have the new housing to put in the motor. remember the housing has to be port matched, dowel pinned and polished externally (for cosmetic reasons) until he has those he cant put it back together.
09-30-10, 04:23 AM
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cool beans send me a pm when you get a chanceto come up and i can give you the info. we also have monday night meets at thunder road house on memorial road. from 7 till whenever impressive stuff everything from hondas to twin turbo vipers, to ferrari's lambo's aston martin old muscle bmw's to vettes , bikes you name it.
sorry for getting off topic guys. now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
sorry for getting off topic guys. now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
11-15-11, 10:21 AM
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It's called project management Rich. Don't delay diagnosing the problem. Do this immediately as everything else is predicated on this. Its the critical path and without this info nothing else can happen How long would this have taken to pull apart the engine? Maybe 3 hours max? Then you would know exactly what is going on and you could order parts etc and go from there.
As a guy that built a successful $8 million plus per year company I am always surprised when shops don't do this and this as you basically leave money on the table. No my company wasn't an auto shop but the principals of planning apply here. Having "visited" numerous shops over the past years, including Ari's I guarantee there is much room for improvement in shop flow. Note I didn't say quality as Ari hits it out of the park here.
Off mu soap box now and it was good seeing you too. Wish I spent less time under my car though.
As a guy that built a successful $8 million plus per year company I am always surprised when shops don't do this and this as you basically leave money on the table. No my company wasn't an auto shop but the principals of planning apply here. Having "visited" numerous shops over the past years, including Ari's I guarantee there is much room for improvement in shop flow. Note I didn't say quality as Ari hits it out of the park here.
Off mu soap box now and it was good seeing you too. Wish I spent less time under my car though.
i'm with Rich here and not because we both are in the same area of business but because i get focused on a job that i am working on. each and every time you step away from a job you are working on you take risk of forgetting to tighten a nut or bolt, risking reputation and hours and hours redoing your work for no profit.
it's easy to point out opinion based faults but we each have our own preferred method of working. mine is focused to the point that i get angry if anyone bothers me while i am in the middle of something important.
there are thousands of nuts and bolts that go in order in a build, sometimes i look at a pile of parts and think to myself "did i do that?". it gets really messy sometimes and having a picture memory is necessary as well as foresight for upgrading the fuel system or porting that wastegate that might be slightly too small instead of worrying about opening up a motor to diagnose it that just came in when several people have been waiting 3-4-9 months ahead of that person, bitching in your ear.
i for example work 7 days a week, most rotary shop owners do the same, whether they admit it or not.
yes you can plan your time working on each project but in the end it usually goes back to the order of importance/order of customer. i almost constantly have someone whining about their job taking too long and others that need to get done so in this case, cracking open a motor to be more efficient would just result in 3 hours less sleep that evening, sometimes it's simply not worth it.
i work completely by myself by the way, because i don't trust anyone to do the job well enough to my standards so i am completely biased in this opinion.
my breaks usually are comprised of helping people on this forum, bitching at them and my 1 hour of relaxation before sleep. every few years i might even take a vacation.
of course i'm not Ari but there may be some similarities between our order of business.
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