FC oil cooler for use with a 20b
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FC oil cooler for use with a 20b
I am building a 20b 3rd gen.... I was wondering how good a FC's oil cooler would work if I could find a spot to mount the thing. I want to get the rotary extreme dual oil cooler kit eventually, but I am getting very low on funds and would like to save some money this way. I've heard that these coolers are good to about 700hp and I'd beleive it since they are so big. The fitting should be easier also since the 20b's front oil line threads on the same way as the FC, and I know the rear lines fit both the fc and fd. What are your thoughts/experiance on this?
Thanks,
Jesse
Thanks,
Jesse
Last edited by bladz311; 04-08-06 at 02:00 AM.
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I just ordered this Fluidyne and associated parts and will be installing it by the end of the month.
It fits in the stock location but has more surface area, is thicker, has a better fin and endtank design plus a larger capacity.
It has been race proven in FC's to improve oil cooling over the stock oil cooler and even dual stock oil coolers run in parralell or series.
Here is a parts list from Summit:
AER-FBM3687
Fittings, Internal Allen Head Pipe Plug, 3/8 in. NPT, Aluminum, Blue Anodized, Pair
$6.50 x 2
EAR-501ERL
Remote Oil Thermostat, Aluminum, Dual -10 AN Female Inlets, Dual -10 AN Female Outlets, Each
$90.69
EAR-592906ERL
Fitting, Cap, -6 AN, Aluminum, Blue Anodized, Pair
$3.50
EAR-985010ERL
Fitting, Straight, Male -10 AN to Straight Cut Male -10 AN O-Ring, Aluminum, Blue, Each
$13.88 x 4
EAR-989410ERL
Fitting, Flare Reducer, Female -12 AN to Male -10 AN, Aluminum, Blue, Each
$22.95 x 2
FLD-DB30618
Fluid Cooler, Engine/Transmission, Plate-Type, Aluminum, Natural, 5 7/8 in. x 21 in. x 3 in., Each
$314.99
Stock Oil cooler dimensions for reference:
Length (including endtanks) 22.5"
Length (core only) 19.75"
Height 4.5"
Width 2"
It fits in the stock location but has more surface area, is thicker, has a better fin and endtank design plus a larger capacity.
It has been race proven in FC's to improve oil cooling over the stock oil cooler and even dual stock oil coolers run in parralell or series.
Here is a parts list from Summit:
AER-FBM3687
Fittings, Internal Allen Head Pipe Plug, 3/8 in. NPT, Aluminum, Blue Anodized, Pair
$6.50 x 2
EAR-501ERL
Remote Oil Thermostat, Aluminum, Dual -10 AN Female Inlets, Dual -10 AN Female Outlets, Each
$90.69
EAR-592906ERL
Fitting, Cap, -6 AN, Aluminum, Blue Anodized, Pair
$3.50
EAR-985010ERL
Fitting, Straight, Male -10 AN to Straight Cut Male -10 AN O-Ring, Aluminum, Blue, Each
$13.88 x 4
EAR-989410ERL
Fitting, Flare Reducer, Female -12 AN to Male -10 AN, Aluminum, Blue, Each
$22.95 x 2
FLD-DB30618
Fluid Cooler, Engine/Transmission, Plate-Type, Aluminum, Natural, 5 7/8 in. x 21 in. x 3 in., Each
$314.99
Stock Oil cooler dimensions for reference:
Length (including endtanks) 22.5"
Length (core only) 19.75"
Height 4.5"
Width 2"
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Originally Posted by onefastrx7turbo
I plan on using the stock fc oil cooler on mine. they arent very small.
I'm going to use and Fc cooler as well. I believe the key is getting the air to flow through it. That's would be a little hard to do if the air also has to go through the radiator. Ducting would be key for it to work properly on a 20b.
Last edited by t-von; 04-08-06 at 11:46 PM.
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Thanks for the ideas!
fcdrifter: I finally ordered the intercooler piping, haha. So... hopefully it will be ready real soon. I have some other projects going on at the shop right now, but as soon as I'm done with them, I will thow the piping back on and get it back on the street.
fcdrifter: I finally ordered the intercooler piping, haha. So... hopefully it will be ready real soon. I have some other projects going on at the shop right now, but as soon as I'm done with them, I will thow the piping back on and get it back on the street.
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Originally Posted by bladz311
Thanks for the ideas!
fcdrifter: I finally ordered the intercooler piping, haha. So... hopefully it will be ready real soon. I have some other projects going on at the shop right now, but as soon as I'm done with them, I will thow the piping back on and get it back on the street.
fcdrifter: I finally ordered the intercooler piping, haha. So... hopefully it will be ready real soon. I have some other projects going on at the shop right now, but as soon as I'm done with them, I will thow the piping back on and get it back on the street.
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I run 2 FC oil coolers in series. It takes me about 5 minutes of driving plus a couple minutes of driveway warmup to even get to 160 Deg F. Takes about 10 minutes of driving to hit 180 F and my normal range is 190 to 230 depending upon how hard I drive it on a 60-80 Deg F day. Hotter days it stays around 220-230 F and it works just fine.
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Originally Posted by Turbo 3
I run 2 FC oil coolers in series. It takes me about 5 minutes of driving plus a couple minutes of driveway warmup to even get to 160 Deg F. Takes about 10 minutes of driving to hit 180 F and my normal range is 190 to 230 depending upon how hard I drive it on a 60-80 Deg F day. Hotter days it stays around 220-230 F and it works just fine.
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Parrallel always cools better provided adequate airflow is present to the two and the setup also has less pressure drop than does the series setup.
The Fluidyne oil cooler I just installed cools better than two stock collers, no matter how they are plumbed. Cannot argue with on-track results.
The cooler also fits in the stock location using the stock mounts. I just had to make a tab from the cooler for the stock mounts to bolt to. I also had to plumb in an oil t-stat. Oil temps come up pretty quick from a cold start and stay up in the normal range even when it is really cool out unlike the stock system.
The Fluidyne oil cooler I just installed cools better than two stock collers, no matter how they are plumbed. Cannot argue with on-track results.
The cooler also fits in the stock location using the stock mounts. I just had to make a tab from the cooler for the stock mounts to bolt to. I also had to plumb in an oil t-stat. Oil temps come up pretty quick from a cold start and stay up in the normal range even when it is really cool out unlike the stock system.
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That would explain the pressures I get then. Under cold start idle they get to 70 psi but under hot idle they drop to 18-20psi. Normal driving pressures are in the 40-45psi range.
Mind if I ask where you purchased the Fluidyne cooler and the oil t-stat?
Mind if I ask where you purchased the Fluidyne cooler and the oil t-stat?
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Here is the parts list from Summit that I previously posted. I did not include any -10 line or fittings with the list. How you plumb it is up to you. I did mount the t-stat to the inside of the drivers side frame rail in front of the engine.
It turned out to be a very clean install...if I do say so myself
A quick note about the -12an to -10an reducers. You need to cut off at least 1/3 of an inch from the -12an side so the fitting does not bottom out on the cooler before the 37' angle seats are set and sealed.
I won't tell you how I know about this
It turned out to be a very clean install...if I do say so myself
A quick note about the -12an to -10an reducers. You need to cut off at least 1/3 of an inch from the -12an side so the fitting does not bottom out on the cooler before the 37' angle seats are set and sealed.
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Originally Posted by RX-Heven
It fits in the stock location but has more surface area, is thicker, has a better fin and endtank design plus a larger capacity.
It has been race proven in FC's to improve oil cooling over the stock oil cooler and even dual stock oil coolers run in parralell or series.
Here is a parts list from Summit:
AER-FBM3687
Fittings, Internal Allen Head Pipe Plug, 3/8 in. NPT, Aluminum, Blue Anodized, Pair
$6.50 x 2
EAR-501ERL
Remote Oil Thermostat, Aluminum, Dual -10 AN Female Inlets, Dual -10 AN Female Outlets, Each
$90.69
EAR-592906ERL
Fitting, Cap, -6 AN, Aluminum, Blue Anodized, Pair
$3.50
EAR-985010ERL
Fitting, Straight, Male -10 AN to Straight Cut Male -10 AN O-Ring, Aluminum, Blue, Each
$13.88 x 4
EAR-989410ERL
Fitting, Flare Reducer, Female -12 AN to Male -10 AN, Aluminum, Blue, Each
$22.95 x 2
FLD-DB30618
Fluid Cooler, Engine/Transmission, Plate-Type, Aluminum, Natural, 5 7/8 in. x 21 in. x 3 in., Each
$314.99
Stock Oil cooler dimensions for reference:
Length (including endtanks) 22.5"
Length (core only) 19.75"
Height 4.5"
Width 2"
It has been race proven in FC's to improve oil cooling over the stock oil cooler and even dual stock oil coolers run in parralell or series.
Here is a parts list from Summit:
AER-FBM3687
Fittings, Internal Allen Head Pipe Plug, 3/8 in. NPT, Aluminum, Blue Anodized, Pair
$6.50 x 2
EAR-501ERL
Remote Oil Thermostat, Aluminum, Dual -10 AN Female Inlets, Dual -10 AN Female Outlets, Each
$90.69
EAR-592906ERL
Fitting, Cap, -6 AN, Aluminum, Blue Anodized, Pair
$3.50
EAR-985010ERL
Fitting, Straight, Male -10 AN to Straight Cut Male -10 AN O-Ring, Aluminum, Blue, Each
$13.88 x 4
EAR-989410ERL
Fitting, Flare Reducer, Female -12 AN to Male -10 AN, Aluminum, Blue, Each
$22.95 x 2
FLD-DB30618
Fluid Cooler, Engine/Transmission, Plate-Type, Aluminum, Natural, 5 7/8 in. x 21 in. x 3 in., Each
$314.99
Stock Oil cooler dimensions for reference:
Length (including endtanks) 22.5"
Length (core only) 19.75"
Height 4.5"
Width 2"
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Sorry, I'm too ignorant to look through to the beginning of the post and see that you already gave the parts list...duh.
The only issue I'd have is that neither of my oil coolers is mounted in the stock location, they are stacked vertically and between the IC and the radiator on a custom bracket. Pretty sure I couldn't fit a 3" deep cooler in there, 2 is about the most I can do.
The only issue I'd have is that neither of my oil coolers is mounted in the stock location, they are stacked vertically and between the IC and the radiator on a custom bracket. Pretty sure I couldn't fit a 3" deep cooler in there, 2 is about the most I can do.
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My coolant temps stay at 190 F all the time, would think it's more of an issue with having the proper draw of air through there as well as strategic fan placement, ducting, etc.