gh0st

i have been looking into making a fun "race what you bring" autox/street car. i have a little over 35K and i have been looking at a 3rd gen 20b for the last two weeks. then i came across the attack.

the attack is a kit car developed by Euroworks LTD. its based off the old 1990-1996 accords. yes.. im comparing a 1990 accord to an FD. but this convertion is quite different from what your prabrably thinking. it takes a $2000 1990 accord and for $16000 gives you a race ready MR 1800lb cornering demon. only problem is, the engine and tranny are that of the accords. sooooo.... this is what i want to do....

i want to run a 20b and keep the 50/50 weight while making about 400-450whp. at 1800lb, that is going to be one hell on a monster!!! i know the engine will fit. but i still have 2 problems:

1. what tranny could i use? and what are my options?

2. the frame is said on the site to be able to handle 400hp max. so reinforcements to the tubular steel fram are prolly a good idea befor i start to assemble the car. how much will that be and were can i get it done.

all in all, is 40K enouph for a project like this?




check out www.euroworksltd.com

tri_tam

hahaha lol
that'll take alot of dreaming to make it real
you should do more research on'DMC 20b' project.
it's a mid engine 20b swap, and use Porsche 911 trans.
and..uh...
it's your dream so <u>you</u> need to do more research


hahah j/k
my brain has a limit

jamesdeanrx7

not possiable well it is but, that car which I have alot of research on. the motor in this is tranverse mounted and 20b would have to be also but Im not sure of anything that can adapt to it for I thought of the same thing and your looking at another 10 to 20,000 on top of your 35,000.

so if you do I would use if possiable Im not sure is a audi 5000 trans and mount it longitudely, bnut the only problem I see with that is length, and cooling.

any fabricating shop with cad drawing capabilities can help you figure out the frame support shouldnt be to much for a 20b with 500 horses should make about high 300 to low 400 torque reading I think from what others have posted. I might be wrong on this but check into it.

If you have the money it can be done, but I would just go with a transverse mounted 6 cylinder supercharged and your set!!!!!!!

tri_tam

there many rotary mounted on VW

gh0st

well.. pretty much right after i posted, i stumbled onto the 20b dalorian (sp?) project but thanks for all your help. based off the posts there.. i could do it for about 36-41k not including tax. and pretty much have it just the way i want it except the motor wont be tuned.

turns out the guy jioned the 911 tranny to the 20b by having a company specially fabricate an adapter. the engine and tranny cost him about 13000. custom engine mounts... ect. will probrably have to be made.

James, the reason i want to go 20b is cuz im a rotary nut. and that a 6 cylinder engine will prolly mess up the 50/50 weight distrabution. one other option is to with an h or f22 motor. i have heard of tthose getting around 400whp on civics. but that will cost just as much

i have also heard of VW bugs with 13bs in them. ill have to look into that...

thanks again for all the help guys(and gals?). i understand that a lot of this just sounds crazy. but im very seiouse. the way i see it. i could spend 45k and have a truly one of a kind supercar that can smoke just about anything.

PureSephiroth

That car looks like some sort of frankenstein Saleen S7. I like it.

gh0st

ok.. i have searched search engins, this site and a few other rotary sites ... no luck on a VW rotary bug. all the information i have come across so far is very brief

i need details

jamesdeanrx7

well I understand were your coming from Im a rotory nut too lol... I actually would like to build a lambo kit and put a 20b in that now that would be cool they have adapter plates for a audi 5000 which is the same as a porshe 911 trans same mounting etc just alot cheaper and cheaper build up... but good luck with your quest I hope it goes well...

Evil Aviator

Why not take advantage of somebody else's investment, and get a nice custom car for cheap?
http://www.efini.net/rx7s4sale.htm

All you need is an adapter, and you can put a rotary engine in just about any VW-based kit car.
http://www.mazdacomp.com/drivetrain.htm

See the Viking kit car, made for 2 and 3-rotor engines:
www.geocities.com/evilaviator

A recent thread on a similar subject:
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=216692

Kit Car web sites:
http://www.kitcars.com
http://www.kitcar.com/
http://www.kitcarmag.com/

gh0st

Evil Aviator....

thank you soo much for the information. man... your like a living breathing plethera of rotary inforation. hehe... i was going a little nuts trying to find info on rotary bugs.

but any who.. its good to know that its possible to make this thing. and for a little bit cheaper then i have planed. now i think the proper thing to do is to do more research on the Attack. accord parts from the early 90s were bullet proof but by no means sport tuned. i really want something that could give a $35K fd a run for its money around a race track.

the reason i wouldnt want an prebuilt FC is well.. i like to custom my things from start to finish. my yamaha R1, wave runners... even my paintball guns are all VERY customed. i usually end up spending a lot more money then everyone else. but i am happy being set apart.

do you think the Attack can hang with the FD on a track?

Kurgan

Check out kennedy engineering. They specialize in making adapters to mount motors to VW and Porche automobiles.

http://www.kennedyeng.com

You should be able to find what you need there.

HOWEVER, a 20B REQUIRES to be cooled properly, and putting it in a rear/mid engined chasis could prove disasterous, or very complicated at the bare minimum.

On a side note, I do like the looks of that thing... very cool... I dunno about the suspension sticking through the hood, but other than that, it looks ****!

Jeff20B

iTrader: (13)

Wow, this Attack kit car is the first reason I've ever had to get a Honda. That is, if I ever actually get one. Cool looking project!

For a rear mounted 20B, you'll absolutely need to put the radiator up front. It's a good idea for a 12A and 13B too.

gh0st

i dont htink it would be dificult having the radiator up front. but if i ketp it NA, would heat still be a big problem? would i at least be able to achieve 300 hp?

Evil Aviator

Heat is always a problem with rotary engines, especially with the rear rotor. When compared to a 13B, the 20B has a rear rear rotor, so you figure it out.

The stock 20B-REW is rated at 276bhp as installed in the JC Cosmo luxury car, and the RXX-7 produced 337bhp @ 10psi on the chassis dyno with stock turbos and emissions-legal exhaust.
http://www.cris.com/~Asam/20B.html

Um, horsepower doesn't matter a hill of beans, it's TORQUE that will twist frames and blow up the drivetrain. The 20B has a LOT of torque for a rotary engine! You need to contact those Attack brain surgeons and ask them the TORQUE rating of the tube chassis. You may also want to specify whether or not you will be drag racing the car.

With the stock turbos, you are probably looking at about 300-350 lb-ft peak torque @ 10 psi, about 350-400lb-ft @ 12 psi, and about 450lb-ft @ 15psi. BTW, good luck finding a VW transmission that can take this kind of abuse, lol. You may want to check with these guys:
http://www.fisherbuggies.com/