I'm just curious to know whos running what ECU..
I'm thinking about getting the Tec3R for my 20B project. Wondering if its worth the extra cash.

Please post your thoughts.

Thanks!

PHIL

 

I think most people are running a Haltech or Microtech set up for their 20b. I bought a Haltech E11 for mine. If I had the cash I would go Motec. I would even be willing to bet that the Motec and TEC3R are in the same price range. Might be something to consider.

 

If I recall, Motecs are quite more expensive. Tec3R's are about 3k for the set up and I really like the idea about the direct ignition.

 

I know that PFS has set up two 20Bs with Tec3s. Don't know if they're the Tec3R. Peter has strongly advised me to upgrade to a Tec3, but I'll have to rob a bank, first.

 

TEC3R:
+integrated ignition system (should be easy to set up)
+Transistorized ignition (seems to make more power than CDI)
+60-2 timing wheel (more accurate than the stock setup, but not sure it really matters)
-dated cumbersome software that does not seem to be as flexible as the new Halwin.
-only 4 aux outputs! (Willing to live without the creature comforts? Personally I kind of like the idea of having AC AND the ability to regulate the wastegate with the ecu).
-$2900
*Prior to the "R" Electromotive sold 2 versions of the Tec3, one which worked on 2 rotors and another that could be used with 2 or 3 rotors. From what I understand the 'R' is just a rebadged 2/3 rotor purple Tec3. . .not that there's anything wrong with that.

e11v2:
+11+ aux outputs to control everything from a wastegate (with gear based offset) to water injection.
+32 bit system
+intuitive, flexible software
+built in reference map sensor
+under $2,000
-spotty track record of v1.
-abysmal tech support
+/- it doesn't come with the tec3's ignition system, but it can be configured to work with a 60-2 timing wheel and direct fire coils.

 

I have play with a TEC3 on a 13BREW. It has nice stagged injection maps, Trail maps are on roughly the same level as the Haltech E6X. What do you really need 4 aux for? I can fans and A/C and even boost control. Which hear sucks like E6Ks and E6Xs.

 

-fans
-ac
-wastegate
-variable power steering (which the stock car has)
-omp
-Idle air control (I believe the tec has a non aux out for that though)
-water injection

 

CCarlisi,

Thanks for the +/- comparison..

 

i had the e11v2 running on my 3 rotor, with metering pump control, bac valve, fans, tach, wg solenoid.

it ran really well when the ecu deicided to actually work, the newer firmware seems to have fixed it. NOTA944 has my whole setup now with a newer build e11, and it seems to be ok

 

Add...
Haltech E11 ability to work with the stock CAS 24+2 as an ignition input option - no TEC can do this.

The Haltech E11 actually edges out the TEC3 (non-R) in terms of ignition output accuracy, as given by their respective manufacturers - 0.1-degree versus 0.25-degree, but these numbers are not that relevant.

I've tried to do an objecive comparison for the E11 and TEC3 (non-R) here:
http://fc3spro.com/TECH/SWAP/COSMO/20b.html


-Ted

 

Ted, Thank you!!

Great info!! Now I'm debating between E11 and Tec3..

 

Electromotive "claims" that the .25 dregrees is worse case, that is usually better than a .25 of a degree. Be I agree with you its really isn't a issue at this resolution.

But, coming from Electromotives, I really like the Halwin software for the E6X much better than Wintec3, I haven't had a chance to play with the upgraded R software though.

 

Another option is to use the Haltech E11 with a 60-2 ignition wheel and Electromotive coil pack, as referenced earlier by CCarlisi.

 

the R also does split trailing ignition with the ability to manipulate the advance/retard. My shop is currently installing a TEC3 R on a 20B FD who is having it control all the accessories including the AC, etc, but it's still early in the build.

Thanks for being objective ReTed. I love when this turns into "this is better than that" BS posting by people who don't actually install/tune them.

 

sorry, I should clarify...my friend's shop, not mine personally but it's "mine" for everything I take there.

 

I guess I need to go meet other 20B owners and see how their car runs.
Please keep us updated with how the Tec3R turns out.