jr69187

Recently some one posted they are sticking a 350 into a first gen rex. What should we do to these people?? There must be a punishment. Here is mine.

I will buy a 1967 mustang gt500 torch the motor out of it and put in a 20b with turbos and 400+ hit of nitro and run over Nicholas Cages ***.


Well post your own punishments for people tearing up first gen 7's

dan

Steve Shulz

No need for NOS, 20B kills all.......

******** anyway, ******* up such a good thing, hope a 9lb rotor falls on their heads

Wattz

I think we need to start converting american muscle cars into rotary monsters...

I mean... That's only fair.

FuLLsMoKe

Dunno what I'd do to someone that messed their 7 up but I can tell ya what I did to an *******...

This *** talked trash about me and my 7 after I whupped him in a fair drag--He had an older CR-X. He is a friend of my friend and my friend doesn't like this guy either, he also goes to my school... So during school one day, I opened his door (it was unlocked) and popped his hood. Then I thought how can I mess with this guy--I ended up pulling 3 spark wires and messing the ends up, then sticking them back on so that the connection would be VERY bad.

Upon camping after school close to his car, we watched him fire up his CR-X... GOD did it sound bad or maybe that's just the way it originally sounded

*to this day, the CR-X owner does not know it was me*

Muahahahah! God, I am an evil bastard...

peejay

Don't insult RX-7s by saying they are destroyed by changing the engine! By saying that you're trying to tell me that the car is just a POS with a good engine, and the only reason to like the cars is because of the engine.

That is simply Not True, as the car around the engine is a great thing in and of itself. The fact that it also has a rotary is just a plus.

jr69187

The whole concept of an rx7 is nto to be a sports car but to be different. And to have a rotary engine this is like changing the sex of person. It may look the same as a woman but it feels like a man. That is what happens when you drop a small block into a rx7.

dan

Steve Shulz

Peejay, your such a mediator (or is that whimp). Either way, dont stick up for them, its our forum as much as yours. America.... free speach rules!

Wattz

yeah, but a Rotary car isn't a rotary car when you put a normal engine in there... It's no longer a Rotary Experimental, it's a Normal Engine Rx-7body.

or something...

I dunno.

peejay

I don't like it when people say my car is a POS and that's basically what people who say conversions ruin an RX-7 are saying - that the car is just a POS with a cool engine.

I think I'll keep "WT" and put a 289 in it just to irk you types. I already have most of a 302 except the block, which is perfect 'cos a 289 needs the heads reworked to run on onleaded fuel anyway.

Call it a Dime-Store Shelby Daytona.

Actually, it bugs me to see people putting 13Bs in 12A cars, or worse, 13BTs in any 1st-gen... 20Bs too... that just seems wrong to me... but V8 conversions don't bother me, go figure

- PJ (maybe it's just my anti-13B bias)

rx7passion

nice thread i dont really care what you do to your own car, but i dont like 500$ v8 swaps or even worse a v6. if your going to do a v8 swap do it right like jimlab then those are cool.

ps dont let this get out of hand or i will have to use my magical moderator skillz thank you drive through!

Steve Shulz

You're too easy to get fired up. Lighten up a little, go buy a honda or something.... have fun with your 302 at 5K redline, build it loose or youll be sorry

ladelberg

I said this in a prior post, we should get everyone on the board to contribute $1 (kinda like trading places) and nominate a real rotaryhead (not me obviously) to go get a Camaro or something with a blown engine or something like that and trick it out with a rotary and show people a) how much weight they could be saving, b) how much more power they could be acquiring and c) how much space they would have in their engine bays to actually work on their cars.

It would serve no other purpose but it would probably be fun..

peejay

Nah, it doesn't take much to make a SBF live at 9500rpm shiftpoints, especially 289s 'cos of their lower stroke... daily-driveable, non-blowing up every 6 months, 550hp N/A engines that pass emissions are cool

Or I could just put a couple T3 turbos on it and blow through a Holley carb and make my 550-600hp that way, if you insist I keep a 5000rpm redline

I don't really like boingers, don't get me wrong... I've blown up too many of them to be fond of them. But because someone puts one in an RX-7 doesn't ruin the car... if anything it makes the car more special because it's been customized and it's fairly unique. After all, Miatas are special little cars, and they're basically SA22Cs with updated suspensions and a drop-top. Why aren't you arguing that Mazda ruined the Miata by putting a piston engine in it instead of a rotary? 'Cos they DIDN'T, the car is still a wonderful car that is fun to drive no matter what engine is in it.

ladelberg

Ref Miata - seen many a miata with a rotary conversion. Reciprocating engines are not evil nor are they bad. If Mazda had to rely on them for survival they would have been out of business in the late 70s cause their recip engines have terrible valve trains.

RotorMotorDriver

iTrader: (1)

In my opinion, Miatas are ugly and Mazda wasted their money manufacturing one (even though in reality they probably didnt ). Enough said by me. Have at it y'all!

jr69187

But miata was not designed for a rotary. It was not ment for one. The whole point of own a seven is having a rotary engine. Getitng into customs me and me dad built a custom and it is all plymoth. What really erks me and my family is when one of our friends build a 49 ford and put in a 350 chevy this is sacrilidge to most ford fans. This is just about the same or worste. Taking one brand of motor(i think that works) such as a chevy or ford and putting it into a different brand of car. If that is not bad enough then you change the type of motor form a rotary to a piston. This is completly wierd. Do you know how pissed people whould be if i put a 12a into a nice 56 vet, mustang, or a 69 Camaro. People would have me hung so why is it ok for some one to put a chevy or ford into a mazda. Listen i love mean muscle cars. And i love british cars such as my dads truimph. And i love street rods. And love g bodies (regals mainly and grand nationals). And i love rx7s. And if i took a grand national and put in any rotary i know people who would string me so i just can fatham how this is alright.

dan

ladelberg

Very interesting thoughts jr..... Of course, one fundamental assumption is that the engineers got it right when they did it the first time, as an engineer, I can tell you that is a bad assumption. Marketing has their say too. I would be wiling to bet Mazda marketing said no rotaries in the miata. But the conversion is so straight forward, I find it hard to believe the engineers did not hold off on the power plant until the last minute.

Sure Frankenstein cars can be an abomination but sometimes they are cool. Who said rotaries only belong in 7s. Why not my Chevy s10? Lots more power than my 4.3L V6 (though no torque).

jr69187

Well here is my last point. IF i go out and badge up my regal and change the hood and paint it black. Is that a grand national??? No it is a regal with all the badges and paint to look like one but it is not. This a false advertising. Or a guy i know has a cuda sounds mean looks mena but under that not mean it says on the side 442 hemi cuda but it is not. I mean there are plenty of cars made by shavy that are smal to put a sb in like chevette seen it done. And there are plenty of fords to put 302 in but why tear up a sports car that is all about a rotary. Why not tear up something that started atleast some what closer to what it origanly had. i mean rotary to piston is a world different.

dan

REVHED

What you guys are suggesting has been done, over here in Australia at least. I don't know if you know of the Holden Commodore but over years it's probably been the most popular Australian car in both motor racing and for petrol heads to own and modify. Anyway, a brave rotary enthusiast took one of those, ripped out the V8 and put a heavily modded 20B in. Pure genius but also the sort of thing that is likely to get you beaten up. I've also seen a 1967 Mercedez 300SEL with a 500hp 13BT, a BMW Carbriolet with 20B swap and countless other weird rotary swaps. You gotta love it.

FuLLsMoKe

I don't really like miatas and I don't really like "Frankenstein" cars... I mean, it may be interesting and neat but that does take some of the "beauty" of the car out. I think RX-7 is not the same w/o the rotary, though I really don't care what other's do to their 7s. The RXs were designed in mind to have rotaries and NOT pistons--just like how chevy intended for pistons in their cars. If I saw a Cuda, Vette, or any muscle car w/o the classic huge piston engine, I would probably think that's just stupid or weird but innovative. I think it's all about what the car stands for: 67 Shelby GT = 351cu PISTON engine, 85 GS RX-7 = 1.1L of ROTARY power.

There are just too many opinions out there
If people thought like me, the world would be perfect

jr69187

Why can't i live there will people tear apart cars wiht pistons and put in rotaries. That is it i am gonna move to AUS in 7 years. That is when my company should hit thier max on the stock and i cash in and head out for life. Gotta love the stock options. We went up like 8 bucks a share and i got 2000 shares and growing.

dan

Keaponlaffen

I agree with A) - you would save lots of weight, and I agree with c) - A camaro's engine compartment would be a lot less crowded with a rotary, but I DON'T however agree with b) - A rotary puts out about 120HP stock, which is enough in a 2200lb car, but put that same measly 120HP in a Camaro (like 3500lbs) and you've got a pretty crappy power-to-weight ratio...

I AM talking stock numbers though, and if you're talking a twin turbo NOS powered rotary, fine, I'll put a twin turbo big block with NOS in a camaro, and you can have any rotary you want in an identical car (excluding the 3-rotor 'cause they're almost impossible to get ahold of), and we'll see who's car has the biggest *****....

I'm with Peejay on this one, the rotary is cool, and is an experimental engine, and I give cudos to Mazda for trying it out, but they aren't the be-all end-all technology of the world. Why would mazda have discontinued the rotary? It was too expensive to try to keep up with all the warranty claims on blown rotarys...


Jeff

ladelberg

Agreed, stock on stock is no comparison, rotaries suffer. Should have worded more carefully, lets just say a stock 2nd or 3rd gen motor (with turbos). I don't know how well it would work but it would be fun for all I think.

The rotary is nice because it helps get the weight distribution closer to 50/50 (except for the second gens) - can't do that with the recip engines. Shed a few pounds, move the LCG back, all good things. For raw power, you guys are right, I can go build a 600+ HP 300zx or MR2 engine if I wanted, its been done before and go wrap myself around a tree because it will corner like my pickup truck (ok a bit of an exaggeration).

MIKE-P-29

I have considered the thought of putting a 302 in my 1st gen 85. But that wouldnt make me better than the mustangs im trying to beat. But my hats off too anyone that mods a v8 in there, thats a HELL of a lot of custom work!


I got nothing against anyone that wants a boinger in their 7... Totally up to them and its their car. Id be first to take pics of it, if I seen one in person.

I do remember seeing a 350 in an 80 once, and I asked the guy how it ran and he said probally the worst thing he did, all it does is burn tire but sounds cool... LOL

Jeff20B

iTrader: (13)

I once saw an REPU with a 4 cylinder conversion. Maybe that is why I'm against puting piston engines into rotary cars.

Kerry's V8 powered 7 is cool I'm sure, but does he still have a 50/50 weight ratio? Or did he have to add some lead weights to the back like what granny's speed shop recommends (I think I read that on granny's... my memory is less than wonderful at this hour)? That, to me, is ***-backwards. To have to add even more weight to the car to get it to drive right is a bad idea. What about the brakes? Sure it has more torque off the line, but how good is the handling?

I'm pro rotary. I'd like to install them into every car I have. So who is going to get a detroit iron beast and rotarize it? Who wants to attempt a front wheel drive rotary? It'll give the ricers something to fear hehe!