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Old 07-28-02, 09:06 PM
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Think about how much air there is inside a V8, and how little there is inside the rotary. Rotaries are very dense, therefore heavier than their size would suggest. I believe the CG height is probably more academic than actually noticeable. Besides, that's what the sway bars are there for. Tune the suspension to get it balanced. Please don't add ballast.

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I've almost resolved myself to doing it just so I can document it fully
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Go for it, Felix. But you may have to change your nick. Hmmm, "Felix Otto"?

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I still have a Turbo II also, I can keep my name
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Go for it, Felix. But you may have to change your nick. Hmmm, "Felix Otto"?

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How bout Felix Judas LOL
Had to do it
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Hey man I said stock 12a. I tried going the turbo route and no luck. I didnt even no where to start. If your gonna help me do it for under $500 Canadian then I'll keep the 12a in there.
Is it just me or does it clearly say "stock or ported 12a with intake, exhaust and a turbo" in your first post.
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Originally posted by Felix Wankel
Actually the bulk of the weight is the reciprocating assembly, and the bulk of that bulk is concentrated at the crank. Which coincedentally winds up a bit lower than the e-shaft. A cam, pushrods, carb, intake, rocker arms, heads (provided they are aluminum), dizzy, etc. weigh about the same as half of a rotary.

If you ever had to flip a V8 over on an engine stand you would be able to see what I'm getting at
Interesting! I plan on doing a FWD rotary coversion some day and I assume even though the 4 boinger I'll be removing is really tall in the engine bay, its center of gravity is still pretty low. You've given me some stuff to think about.
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Old 07-29-02, 04:15 PM
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Last chance here everyone. The namecalling stops here and now or the thread gets closed. I'm pretty disappointed, I thought we had come far enough that topics such as V8 swaps into 1gens could be discussed rationally. Guess I was wrong.

Here's a good rule of thumb. If you think the swap is a horrible idea, that's fine, but don't simply post here saying how stupid you feel a person is for wanting to do it. To each his own.
Close the thread...winnepeg is convinced nothing is changed in his car 'cuz he spent the money for the conversion. Pit him in a slalom against a streetport 12A and I'll bet it'd hand his Ford monstrocity to him in a hat. I merely asked for a different place for this junk to go so the "purists" wouldn't have to be insulted by the guys that have given up on rotaries. I certainly didn't start the flaming and I shouldn't have to wait three pages before a mod steps in to stop the name crapola...I didn't even respond to W's diatribe just to see how far it'd go. Close it, it's a worthless thread...
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Pit him in a slalom against a streetport 12A and I'll bet it'd hand his Ford monstrocity to him in a hat.
Probably.... the streerport 12A wouldn't have enough torque to spin the rear tires. It's like built-in traction control.

If weight's your issue, then why do people go ga-ga over GSL-SEs? They have a similar "nose heavy" weight distribution. (Actually GSL-SE's are worse... they are 54/46)

Also don't forget that handling is in the end up to suspension design and tuning. Heck the best-handling car I've ever owned positioned the entire engine mass in front of the front wheels.
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Old 07-29-02, 05:44 PM
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I just like to point that issue out to all the newbies who start thinking about the V8 thing. It's a trick better left up to a more seasoned fabricator and builder. I just didn't like having to sit and wait for justice when my UPS-bred wit (and pride...) could have dealt with this ......ina a more fitting manner....close the thread....
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Originally posted by Acuspeed
Last chance here everyone. The namecalling stops here and now or the thread gets closed. I'm pretty disappointed, I thought we had come far enough that topics such as V8 swaps into 1gens could be discussed rationally. Guess I was wrong.

Here's a good rule of thumb. If you think the swap is a horrible idea, that's fine, but don't simply post here saying how stupid you feel a person is for wanting to do it. To each his own.

The only name I called anybody is "peanut head" and that might not even be an insult... cause in some rare cases you can have a small head yet yield high intelligence.... Oh well... close the thread....
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Old 07-29-02, 07:04 PM
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Geez,
I don't get flamed this bad by the British car crowd for talking about dropping a dizzy into a little British roadster. And I think they have more reasons to be upset than the rotary crowd. For example, longer racing heritage, cars no longer produced, company no longer exists...the list goes on.

My 13B sits lower than the straight 4 iron block that it replaces and has 100 hp more. And I set the engine back by 6 inches. This car lighter than any RX7 by at least 1000 lbs. Once I've got it dialed in, I'll take on anyone with 4 wheels unless it's off-road or full contact.

Not all conversions are evil or blasphemous.

I'm also an amature. Learned how to fix the EGI on this board, learned how to operate a MIG this year. So just because I'm ignorant today, doesn't mean I'll be blind forever. I luv this stuff, and I get a lot from it.
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Jeez, almost everyone in this thread sound like a bunch of married couples....

It's his car, let him do what he wants. Maybe the Piston engine DOES feel like he says, you can't tell by looking.

I'd say until completely proven, and we get some numbers on G's and Accel, and 1/4 mile and everything, no one can criticize anyone else's car.

This is worse then someone posting a Preaching Christianity and Catholicism on PinkBike.com (mountain bike webpage with forum).... HORRIBLE!!!


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Geez,
I don't get flamed this bad by the British car crowd for talking about dropping a dizzy into a little British roadster. And I think they have more reasons to be upset than the rotary crowd. For example, longer racing heritage, cars no longer produced, company no longer exists...the list goes on.

My 13B sits lower than the straight 4 iron block that it replaces and has 100 hp more. And I set the engine back by 6 inches. This car lighter than any RX7 by at least 1000 lbs. Once I've got it dialed in, I'll take on anyone with 4 wheels unless it's off-road or full contact.

Not all conversions are evil or blasphemous.

I'm also an amature. Learned how to fix the EGI on this board, learned how to operate a MIG this year. So just because I'm ignorant today, doesn't mean I'll be blind forever. I luv this stuff, and I get a lot from it.

But it makes sense for you to poste here because you've got a rotary going into a different chassis. Well, maybe not here in the 1stgen corner, but certainly in this ROTARY Forum. The V8 crap needs its own little corner, so all the members who are into that abberation can go there for useful info. The Forum should have a new category in its Tech and Performance section called "Stupid Idea...", er, uhh..."V8 Conversion Corner". Or go to Ford Forums where other conversions using those engines are done on a regular basis. It' just sad to see them here...
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Well, I made up my mind to do it. So I'll just **** off now.

Have a nice day.
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Originally posted by Felix Wankel

Well, I made up my mind to do it. So I'll just **** off now.

Have a nice day.
Whiney boy....make sure you get some slalom times and dyno slips before and after. Get it on truck scales for front/back and side-to-side weight comparisons, too. If need be, I'll contribute to the Felix Wankel Abomination Fund (FWAF)to make the dyno runs a reality. I'm serious. You have the opportunity to conclusively settle this matter once and for all with hard data. Before it's demise, my '80 was going to settle the DLIDFIS dispute once and for all. I might pick it up with the next car (I don't think I'm going to keep the red'84 after all...I keep finding this and that, etc...and its getting old...I also like the '79 - '81 dash layout better....) but here's the opportunity to lay down the cold hard facts for an archived thread for the generations to come. You will be immortalized in Rotary History. I say have at it and document everything...and get a better camera than what you were using last year...
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Yeah, make a new forum for V8 or other piston swaps. There's already a seperate 20B forum.
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But it makes sense for you to poste here because you've got a rotary going into a different chassis. Well, maybe not here in the 1stgen corner, but certainly in this ROTARY Forum...
I'm here because I owned an '85 GS and the donor for this project was an '84-SE. So when it comes to asking or answering questions, I'm more helpful in this forum, as well as getting help.

When it comes down to the drivetrain, I still have the same basic questions as the rest of you guys.
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