drunkclever

I just road my brother's 3rd gen. Hes dropping low 10's, street legal. He dropped a new clutch and I insisted that he let me take it for a ride. I in no way dared to pass 3rd gear. I had a smile from the moment he gave me the keys. On second gear he hits 70 I think. soo much *****.. even the cops have respect for it. They caught him racing a 06 civic that had a turbo set up. They let him go with a warning and the cop repeated the remark," thats a very very nice ride". I'll see if I can post his warning when I get the camera again. His contact patch on his rear wheels are atleast 12" and he is running 19" rims. The fronts I am not sure.

now for my question


After you did your engine swap or turbo set up.. and droped your clutch for the first time did you feel your neck snap? Did you get crazy tire spin cus your tires were just too skinny?

As some of you might know. I bought another car instead of getting the engine set up that I wanted. The first car I had(85 gs)had lots of rust and just wasn't worth droping the cash. The second car I bought(82 gsl) had less rust and is about get some fresh paint.

FirebirdSlayer666

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I say post pics or videos of the FD

84stock

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ditto

steve84GS TII

10's is a VERY fast street car no matter what the make or model.
If you are serious about his FD,then there is a lot of work involved to make the tinney little FB chassis that quick and be safe and solid for street use and daily driving.Horsepower is easy to realize,making the rest of a 25 year old,2300lb,101HP intended car safe to handle and deliver that power, is another story.

I still remember the first time I floored my S4 TII swap.
I had the stock turbo,stock ECU,stock ports,stock IC....damn near stock everything except intake and exhaust.My 205's did hold up pretty well,and yes it snapped my neck and I was hooked.That was probably around 200HP,up from 170HP on my old 13B 4 port N/A.
The torque and midrange grunt is where the turbo engines outclass the N/A rotaries,hands down.There is suddenly power and pull where rotaries normally dont do much.That,coupled with a very light chassis is when things get interesting.....its also where you can get into trouble with safety,breakdowns and $$$$ spent....

drunkclever

all I got is one pic. It includes some of the best things in life.








he won that case racing some car on the express lane. Its located 1 mile from our house. The car behind is a '04 towncar.. or something to that effect. Its got a blow motor and something around 80,thousand miles. He took it to the track last year with a weak clutch and they didn't let rim run. We are not sure what mods are on the car except that its definately got an aftermartket exhaust system and some work done on the engine. Thats besides the point though. I want to know that if and when I do my swap will I have to change the wheels so that the car will run better. I really would like to keep a sleeper look and roll with the stock 13" rims.

neektar

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Leave the stock rims and go the safe route with that turbo set-up.

Too many fb's lose thier battle to highend hp and low end safety.

Tsi_Xtreme

I haven't dropped the clutch in my turbo SE yet... I have 247hp at the wheels so I'm trying to keep the stock diff together... but the power is awesome. I need new tires for sure because i can drop it into 3rd on the highway and punch it and I lose traction like whoooa!

drunkclever

what engine set ups do you guys have?

Directfreak

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I agree. And Unless I see a video of that FD running a 10, I find it difficult to believe. For many people, 13's feels Really fast too.

Steve Coudn't have said it better.:smiley_12

Then you really need good tires. I have double your HP and have no problem hooking up in any gear.

235/R15 Drag Radials > 195/R14 Street Tires.

drunkclever

I never took it to the track and hes taken it once. They didn't let him run because of his tire's rating. He didn't have those on it when he took it to the track he used the stockers(he is an ideot). Hes going to get his engine rebuilt, then we will be able to tell whats it got inside. I know when I riped it in 2nd his rear end bonced around. I think he rear is too tight or it could have been the shitty road.

believe it or not..its up to you. I have never taken a ride in a first gen that had any kind of work done to it. I hope to cure myself sooner or later.

rxtory

i run 2 drag cars one that does 13's other does just into the 11s and that is still pretty fast but then agian im only still in highschool, and when i first heard i heard we were only be able to do this speed i was like that shitty but actually doing it is hella fun. especially off the line

Mazdax605

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I find it hard to believe that the 3rd gen your brother has is that fast,and street legal in Taxachusetts.With the emissions testing they use in this state it is hard to believe that.I am not doubting the car is that fast,but not legal here in MA.It is a sweet looking car,and I wish it were mine,but alas I like the 1st gens more.

To answer your question.My friend had an 84 GSL-SE that he installed a 1990 TII engine into with stand alone EFI,and most of the best stuff you could get for it,and it dynoed at 275 RWHP I think,and it was running out of boost.It was crazy fast,and wasn't even as fast as it could be.It snapped your neck whenever you wanted,not just when you dropped the clutch.I wish he hadn't sold the car,and oh yeah it had a sticker here in MA,but it wasn't really legal.It is nice to have connections.

Chris
79 GS
83 LE parts car
74 RE/PU
92 D250 Cummins"for sale"
03 Ram 1500 2wd quad cab Hemi

steve84GS TII

Im running a streetported S5 TII engine with a hybrid TO4B,stock ECU and all smog gear intact and working.Fully certified CA smog legal.




Light steel flywheel - RB S/S clutch
Spearco FMIC - 60MM piping
MSD - stock timing/plugs
800cc secondaries - SupraTT intank pump
3" stainless mandrel exhaust - RB SP muffler
14psi max boost off an Apexi AVCR
Howe dual pass radiator - TII and 300ZX oil coolers
TII tranny - 4.07 SE rearend.
225 and 245 35-17 Falken FK451 tires,grippy and wide for such a light car.

Roughly 300HP at the crank.Its very civilized gets 10/20 MPG and I drive it daily.The perfect all purpose sportscar,thats also completely unique.

rxtasy3

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^ i have a ? for ya. ^ is the stock TII ecu decent enough for a larger than stock turbo and larger injectors to compensate for that turbo, and still get decent boost from it?

steve84GS TII

The stock ECU works just fine,its not really a hinderance so long as you disable the fuel cut.

The real limiter is the airflow meter.The simplistic version goes like this.......If you can keep the engine/turbo combo from outflowing the mechanical abilites of the AFM,then the fuel injection will work correctly.The ECU has maps for everything up to limits of the AFM.There are also a multitude of other temp,pressure and throttle sensors that help the ECU to determine fuel delivery requirements.
Of course its not entirely that simple.The stock fuel injectors and fuel pump are set for stock output levels.The boost sensor only controls timing,not fuel delivery,and Ive had no issues running the stock timing.
If you install larger secondary injectors,and use a boost controller to increase the airflow an equal amount,the ECU wont know the difference,and all's well so long as you dont max out the AFM.
The larger turbo is not so much for making more boost,its about making the same boost,but with lower turbine shaft speeds.That keeps the air cooler,which helps makes power in itself and reduces dependance on intercooling.I made 14psi on the stock turbo,but it was screaming, and my intake temps were horrendous.The TO4B hybrid is just loafing along making 12-14psi but still have good response and it bolts right up like the stocker.Also,porting will allow more power from less boost,which again,reduces intake temps and stress on the turbo and IC.More boost is not always better.Its a balancing act between boost,porting and air temps.

The only time I get any sputter is if I rev it high, but dont boost....then it goes a little rich,but thats not a common thing to do.Most of the time,unless I floor it,the secondaries dont com on-line and everything behaves like stock.99% of the time it drives like a stock TII....just a lot faster when I punch it.I have almost 40K miles on this setup and it WORKS!!No,its not the best,no its not perfect,but it works for me,Ive proven its reliable and I dont plan on pushing any furthur,its fast enough and I dont have to sweat smog time.

z-beater

I don't know about anyone else but I want to see under the hood of the rx7.

10's on a street driven vehicle are a little much. Do you have a DD?

drunkclever

yes, 1.Hard to believe and I can not wait for the day he brings in a slip from the track. 2.Connections are good to have.

psst.. whats a dd, ****?

I took a peak under the hood... everything looks normal to me. Then again I am not sure what to look at. To stand corrected: they told him this car did 10.5. I don't see whats all the fuss about any way.

steve84GS TII

I wounldnt take it the wrong way,its just that 10.5 is extremely fast for a streetworthy car,no less the tempermental FD.The guys are just looking for confirmation of the car's supposed greatness.....because if it can pull those times,thats really saying something.

If its putting down that kind of horsepower,then the underhood scene should be pretty obviously modified.A big single turbo,all the smog gear gone,some large posssibly braided fuel lines,large IC piping and most likely a big front mount IC.
Something like this......


Not that a 10 second car has to have all the underhood bling,but usually when you get that much power,the components looks serious and its pretty obvious that theres some major work done.....

z-beater

I was not calling you out...I just like under the hood shots better...kind of like the clothes of a women, only gets better when you take the bonnet off


DD= daily driver

KeloidJonesJr.

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I will remember these wise words by FirebirdSlayer.

drunkclever

I am not sure whats been done to the car. I know its got aftermarket exhaust and the fumes make my eyes water. I know it needs a rebuild soon. I think its got a stock turbo system. It doesn;t look like that big picture thats a fact. I am guessing they lyed. I don't care.

I jsut can not wait till I get something going, I don't care if its got crazy wires and duct tape under the hood. I am going to put one of those engines in my ride and then see about working something out for a solid rear end. I just wonder if with the light weight, and overall mall foot print of the 1st gen, I just wonder if it would ever be the car I want. I want something that could blow anything away. (big wishing) something that will catch everyone by surprize.

When I get down and dirty with my engine swap, I plan on going with the swap and keeping it so thats its still carzy fast but also very reliable. You have a proven setup.. what you spent 12.. so far?



ohh dd = daily driver I thought you were talking about something under the hood! My dd is a '90 camry wagon. My rx7 will be street worthy in about a month or less(knock on wood)

REVHED

I just tuned my car on the road today. On only 6psi, conservative timing and rich a/f ratios it pulls like an absolute animal. I can hardly wipe the smile off the face. Can't wait to put a boost controller on it and get it on dyno.