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Old Jul 23, 2004 | 03:03 PM
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t2 swap - just need a few things answered

Instead of having to read thousands of pages of stuff I just have a few questions to ask. I want to swap a t2 motor in replacment of the stock 12a What do i need.. i have the full engine, turbo, harness ecu.. what else is needed.
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Old Jul 24, 2004 | 12:14 AM
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To get the engine mounted youll need a GSL-SE oilpan and a GSL-SE front cover.

To fuel the EFI youll need an external EFI fuel pump or have the tank modified to accept an intank EFI pump(what I did).Youll also need a fuel line.I used the stock FB feed line and another FB feed line for the return.Same size now as stock TII lines.

To power the EFI you need to fabricate a left side harness.This harness feeds the coils,CAS,fuel pump relay and the ECU power relay.Its about 15-20 wires.Easy to do,but only if you have the factory manual.The right side harness is a plug and play between the engine and ECU,about 40-50 wires.

If your gonna run stock EFI youll need every little piece of the stock EFI.Boost sensor,baro sensor,AFM,injector resistor,variable resistor,knock control box,fuelpump relay/resistor,ECU relay,opening relay and all the junk attached to the engine.

This applies to the 87-87.5 and the 87.5-88 model years of TII.There are small changes between the 2,dont mix and match because the injector resistance's are different and there were changes to the ECU and wiring.89-91 is another story.The electric oil metering pump requires a custom front cover to work,but the wiring is simpler and the EFI is quicker and more refined.I much prefer my S5 setup over the S4,but it was a bit of a hassel to pull off.

You should install a TII transmission too.The 1st gen box wont hold up for long under the torque of the TII.The TII box will require some tailshaft mods and a custom driveshaft,but itll hold up to a well built turbo engine with no problems.

Also,the S4 turbo/manifold sucks.The S5 turbo/manifold is a great upgrade which wont boost creep and bolts right on.It does require an aftermarket boost controller though,if your running a S4 ECU.
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Old Jul 24, 2004 | 01:27 AM
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sorry 2 intrude but would the turbo II rear end b good/easy 2 swap?
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Old Jul 24, 2004 | 01:52 AM
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so your saying i have to pull part a perfectly good motor? What is the problem with just swapping the entire motor?
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Old Jul 24, 2004 | 07:26 AM
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just the oil pan and front cover, the steering has to have the pan change for clearance, and the engine mounts via the front in a FB not on the side in a FC.

Originally Posted by Godzilla-T78
so your saying i have to pull part a perfectly good motor? What is the problem with just swapping the entire motor?
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Old Jul 24, 2004 | 04:50 PM
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FC rearend swap has been discussed over and over,but would require quite a bit of engineering since the FB chassis is designed around a solid axle and the FC uses IRS.

Max7 is correct.Pulling the oilpan is simple and neccesary.The front cover is a little more involved,but not terribly difficult.Both must be changed due to the FC having midship motor mounts and R&P steering.The 1st gen's motor mount goes to the front cover and the standard steering linkage is right under the engine.
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Old Jul 24, 2004 | 10:18 PM
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you also need to redrill the tranny mount and make a spacer (for s4, s5 is much more involved) and you also need to modify the shift linkage to accept the FB shifter assembly.

there is a good writeup on the shifter in the archive somewhere and the spacer needs to be 3/4 in thick
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Old Jul 24, 2004 | 11:21 PM
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In addition to everything in my thread Chronicles of a Turbo II Swap, add the following:

13b to 12a engine mounting bracket (RB or make your own)
High pressure inline fuel pump
high pressure fuel filter
engine bay fuses for EGI

HTH,

Scott
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