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Old Jan 26, 2009 | 01:42 PM
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YES!! id buy one in a heartbeat. i love RICE!!!
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Old Jan 26, 2009 | 01:43 PM
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One thing I'm suprised about is that there are still people developing products for our cars. Thats real cool.
Old Jan 26, 2009 | 02:01 PM
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I know people have already responded to the Fram comment, but... most people who bash Fram do so because of their Extra Guard filters, which have crappy anti-drainback valves and not a whole lot of surface area on the filtration medium. Their Tough Guard filters, like the one pictured, are a much better design, with an anti-drainback valve that actually works and more surface area. Still not my favorite filter, but it isn't that bad.
Old Jan 26, 2009 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by racerlinkfc
i believe rob sells kits like that already. his 12A turbo makes over 700 hp. but not everybody wants 700 hp, lots of people simply like driving thier mazda ,not fast simply getting from point A to point B, if they can double or triple thier fuel ecconomy on the car they love so much they are all for it. guys that have vipers dont daily drive them, they have other cars for daily commuting, that get good gas mileage.
most people with first gens should have a daily driver as these are getting more scarce i know first hand about driving one daily and then running into the back of a jeep. so now its nice days only in my new one,,,when i get it finished that is.
Old Jan 26, 2009 | 04:34 PM
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i want in on this carb set up!!!
Old Jan 26, 2009 | 07:56 PM
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most people with first gens should have a daily driver as these are getting more scarce i know first hand about driving one daily and then running into the back of a jeep. so now its nice days only in my new one,,,when i get it finished that is.
most people with rotarys in general usally have 3 or more, they are an addiction!

with this little secret weapon,now you can brag to your honda buddies you have a rotary that gets better gas mileage than thier honda in your collection
Old Jan 26, 2009 | 07:58 PM
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Seems pretty sweet. Its hard to believe 40 mpg though.
Old Jan 26, 2009 | 08:15 PM
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yeah it would be nice if you were going to daily drive one. but makes me think of my old geo metro .. had great gas mileage but took about 5 minutes to get to 60 mph/
Old Jan 26, 2009 | 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by evil_motors
yeah it would be nice if you were going to daily drive one. but makes me think of my old geo metro .. had great gas mileage but took about 5 minutes to get to 60 mph/

well, teh seven looks alot better than a geo and its faster than a geo even with a one barrel carb. its not that slow.. remember the seven cant loose!!
Old Jan 26, 2009 | 08:32 PM
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Might be just the thing for my 100 mile a day commute, shouldn't have to work too hard to beat my current 23-24 mpg. Where do you get one of those things?

Does Rob need anyone to give the prototype a good street test?
Old Jan 26, 2009 | 08:35 PM
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the price is what makes or breaks this kit. Getting anywhere near 40mpg would be amazing though.
Old Jan 26, 2009 | 08:39 PM
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why not disconnect your secondaries.
wire them shut
Old Jan 26, 2009 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by lascelles
why not disconnect your secondaries.
wire them shut
it still wont get the mileage of a single barrel carb, not even close
1 small fuel jet, 1 small venturi , 1 small throttle plate cant be beat as far as ecconomy. and its a new carb, so it works good .its not some old rebuilt 20 times nikki.
Old Jan 26, 2009 | 08:50 PM
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Might be just the thing for my 100 mile a day commute, shouldn't have to work too hard to beat my current 23-24 mpg. Where do you get one of those things?

Does Rob need anyone to give the prototype a good street test?

ill ask him, testing abroad might be wise. hes got 5 of them running around local so he can closely monitor them..
Old Jan 27, 2009 | 07:24 PM
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product sounds great from what i have heard! and the price isn't bad either. cant wait to try it out.
Old Jan 27, 2009 | 08:59 PM
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So what's the price? I missed it.
Old Jan 27, 2009 | 09:22 PM
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Okay let me ask it in another way. Will it accelerate enough to keep up with traffic?


When I rebuilt my carb I inadvertently installed the base gasket wrong. By doing so, I shut off the vacuum to the secondary diaphragm. Cruising along was fine but a standing start was a pretty good challenge to keep up with traffic.
Old Jan 28, 2009 | 06:45 PM
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I could use better mpg
Old Jan 28, 2009 | 07:42 PM
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"When I rebuilt my carb I inadvertently installed the base gasket wrong. By doing so, I shut off the vacuum to the secondary diaphragm. Cruising along was fine but a standing start was a pretty good challenge to keep up with traffic."

So you are saying we can turn our Nikki's into two barrels just by putting the base gasket in backwards? Cool way to save gas. I did the same thing once and it wasn't that bad, 'course I don't have a heavy foot.

Would this be just as effective as the one barrel that Rob is developing? Save a few bucks.
Old Jan 28, 2009 | 08:05 PM
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I just have my nikki setup for mechanical secondaries and I can physically feel in the pedal when I'm about to open them, needs quite a bit more leverage to do so. However the combination of having vacuum leaks, stuff missing off the of the manifold and having a slightly heavy foot I only manage about 22mpg.

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"When I rebuilt my carb I inadvertently installed the base gasket wrong. By doing so, I shut off the vacuum to the secondary diaphragm. Cruising along was fine but a standing start was a pretty good challenge to keep up with traffic."

So you are saying we can turn our Nikki's into two barrels just by putting the base gasket in backwards? Cool way to save gas. I did the same thing once and it wasn't that bad, 'course I don't have a heavy foot.

Would this be just as effective as the one barrel that Rob is developing? Save a few bucks.
Old Jan 28, 2009 | 09:09 PM
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I never read so much B.S. in my life. I have owned a lot of rotary powered Mazdas since 1979, including 7 of the 1st gen RX7s. The only one I had that ever got over 20 mpg was my SE, which once got 23 on a carefully measured highway trip. The most knowledgeable rotary mechanics I know say that high 20s mileage is possible under test conditions, but not likely in normal daily driving.

The fundamental problem with the rotary has nothing to do with the carburetion - it is the inherent characteristics of the combustion cycle. Mazda spent a lot of time and money developing a very sophisticated laboratory engine, with lots of exotic light weight parts and extreme measures to reduce friction, and they got, by their own statements, combustion efficiency within 10% of comparable piston engines. But that was before the VTEC revolution raised the bar.

If this new carb setup or any other intake system is measured at anything over 30 mpg in the real world on a rotary powered RX-7, you need to find out what is wrong with your measurements.

As for Fram oil filters, I have used them since 1957, and never had a problem, although I have had problems when I tried other brands.

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I know from my driving around pretty much whatever I do I get around 20-22 whether it be highway or city. However judging by the plugs and some other things I have a feeling I'm running quite lean.
Old Jan 28, 2009 | 09:29 PM
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Fram is a dependable brand for street use. I would rather use a higher dollar filter for the track.

I get 18-21 MPG average on both of my 2nd gens. I average 17 MPG on my SA. My tops ever is 23 MPG on my GXL. It is modified is driven city and highway 50/50.

This carb (if it really does deliver 40 MPG with a fairly heavy foot time to time) would be great if it were to be installed in a second car. One for fun and power, and one for long trips.
Old Jan 28, 2009 | 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by stilettoman
I never read so much B.S. in my life. I have owned a lot of rotary powered Mazdas since 1979, including 7 of the 1st gen RX7s. The only one I had that ever got over 20 mpg was my SE, which once got 23 on a carefully measured highway trip. The most knowledgeable rotary mechanics I know say that high 20s mileage is possible under test conditions, but not likely in normal daily driving.

The fundamental problem with the rotary has nothing to do with the carburetion - it is the inherent characteristics of the combustion cycle. Mazda spent a lot of time and money developing a very sophisticated laboratory engine, with lots of exotic light weight parts and extreme measures to reduce friction, and they got, by their own statements, combustion efficiency within 10% of comparable piston engines. But that was before the VTEC revolution raised the bar.

If this new carb setup or any other intake system is measured at anything over 30 mpg in the real world on a rotary powered RX-7, you need to find out what is wrong with your measurements.

As for Fram oil filters, I have used them since 1957, and never had a problem, although I have had problems when I tried other brands.
so the exotic light weight materials mazda used mut have been the cast iron rotors right?! lol.also, mazda never used anything smaller than a 4bbl carb because they never had fuel ecconomy as a prime target.

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