-se vs Neon srt-4?
06-21-05, 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Arockrx7
they are quick in a straight line yes. But understeer like a minivan. haha This a direct quote from an owner of a SRT4.
Lol, so should only middle aged suberban mothers drive them?
06-21-05, 12:54 AM
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love the braaaap
Shut the **** up Pen_Two!!! Your making a complete *** of yourself and loosing any respect anyone might have had for you (not like there was any to start with).
Anyway, to my input on the matter.
Auto makers never tell the whole truth. Horsepower is the worst one for this. Some of us that are into muscle cars might now this, but back when the 426 hemi was in its prime, the factory claimed it had 425hp. I've read of many of these original engines making MUCH more power than what the factory said. Were talking in the 550 RWHP range here. Also, my 97 Ford T-bird with the 4.6L V8 is underrated somewhat I think. I've seen dyno sheets for mostly stock 4.6L V8's that put down 215 rwhp. I'm talking about light mods like intake and exhaust. The car is rated at 205 hp at the flywheel from the factory. This is about 175-180 hp at the rear wheels. Last time I checked, intake and exhaust don't net 35-40 hp. The car feels faster than my dads 3.2L Intrepid. Its rated at 222 hp at the flywheel stock. I'm comparing apples to apples here too. Two cars of equal size and weight, with somewhat similar stock hp figures and similar gearing, yet my car feels faster, and I know its faster. I tested both cars under full acceleration in a section of road. Using "landmarks" as a guide, my car was able to get up to a higher speed sooner than my dads car. Neither car had wheel spin and both started from a roll.
Anyway, my point is that auto makers don't tell the truth about these things. The SRT-4 is a FAST car, no doubt about it.
Anyway, to my input on the matter.
Auto makers never tell the whole truth. Horsepower is the worst one for this. Some of us that are into muscle cars might now this, but back when the 426 hemi was in its prime, the factory claimed it had 425hp. I've read of many of these original engines making MUCH more power than what the factory said. Were talking in the 550 RWHP range here. Also, my 97 Ford T-bird with the 4.6L V8 is underrated somewhat I think. I've seen dyno sheets for mostly stock 4.6L V8's that put down 215 rwhp. I'm talking about light mods like intake and exhaust. The car is rated at 205 hp at the flywheel from the factory. This is about 175-180 hp at the rear wheels. Last time I checked, intake and exhaust don't net 35-40 hp. The car feels faster than my dads 3.2L Intrepid. Its rated at 222 hp at the flywheel stock. I'm comparing apples to apples here too. Two cars of equal size and weight, with somewhat similar stock hp figures and similar gearing, yet my car feels faster, and I know its faster. I tested both cars under full acceleration in a section of road. Using "landmarks" as a guide, my car was able to get up to a higher speed sooner than my dads car. Neither car had wheel spin and both started from a roll.
Anyway, my point is that auto makers don't tell the truth about these things. The SRT-4 is a FAST car, no doubt about it.
06-21-05, 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 85rotarypower
Shut the **** up Pen_Two!!! Your making a complete *** of yourself and loosing any respect anyone might have had for you (not like there was any to start with).
Anyway, to my input on the matter.
Auto makers never tell the whole truth. Horsepower is the worst one for this. Some of us that are into muscle cars might now this, but back when the 426 hemi was in its prime, the factory claimed it had 425hp. I've read of many of these original engines making MUCH more power than what the factory said. Were talking in the 550 RWHP range here. Also, my 97 Ford T-bird with the 4.6L V8 is underrated somewhat I think. I've seen dyno sheets for mostly stock 4.6L V8's that put down 215 rwhp. I'm talking about light mods like intake and exhaust. The car is rated at 205 hp at the flywheel from the factory. This is about 175-180 hp at the rear wheels. Last time I checked, intake and exhaust don't net 35-40 hp. The car feels faster than my dads 3.2L Intrepid. Its rated at 222 hp at the flywheel stock. I'm comparing apples to apples here too. Two cars of equal size and weight, with somewhat similar stock hp figures and similar gearing, yet my car feels faster, and I know its faster. I tested both cars under full acceleration in a section of road. Using "landmarks" as a guide, my car was able to get up to a higher speed sooner than my dads car. Neither car had wheel spin and both started from a roll.
Anyway, my point is that auto makers don't tell the truth about these things. The SRT-4 is a FAST car, no doubt about it.
Anyway, to my input on the matter.
Auto makers never tell the whole truth. Horsepower is the worst one for this. Some of us that are into muscle cars might now this, but back when the 426 hemi was in its prime, the factory claimed it had 425hp. I've read of many of these original engines making MUCH more power than what the factory said. Were talking in the 550 RWHP range here. Also, my 97 Ford T-bird with the 4.6L V8 is underrated somewhat I think. I've seen dyno sheets for mostly stock 4.6L V8's that put down 215 rwhp. I'm talking about light mods like intake and exhaust. The car is rated at 205 hp at the flywheel from the factory. This is about 175-180 hp at the rear wheels. Last time I checked, intake and exhaust don't net 35-40 hp. The car feels faster than my dads 3.2L Intrepid. Its rated at 222 hp at the flywheel stock. I'm comparing apples to apples here too. Two cars of equal size and weight, with somewhat similar stock hp figures and similar gearing, yet my car feels faster, and I know its faster. I tested both cars under full acceleration in a section of road. Using "landmarks" as a guide, my car was able to get up to a higher speed sooner than my dads car. Neither car had wheel spin and both started from a roll.
Anyway, my point is that auto makers don't tell the truth about these things. The SRT-4 is a FAST car, no doubt about it.
I'm not looking for acceptance, I'm looking for help on my 7, not an SRT4.
I don't see how I'm making an *** of myself if it all just revolved around my opinion. Whomever blew my opinion out of proportion is at fault, not me.
06-21-05, 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by d0 Luck
i do not think that's entirely true..? my friend w/ a BP on a 48 IDA was beating an EVO and couple other turbocharged cars; it even became much terrifying when he switched to his pport motor. when it comes to turboing, it's all based on how much lbs. your pushing and tuning.
i think a large SP w/ a DCOE or IDA will hang a slightly modded SRT-4. a full BP will definitely give a strong chance against a medium modded SRT-4.
i think a large SP w/ a DCOE or IDA will hang a slightly modded SRT-4. a full BP will definitely give a strong chance against a medium modded SRT-4.
06-21-05, 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Pen_Two
You're going to hell now.
Apparently it's one of those online things I'm guessing, "YOU'RE STUPID, AND SO IS EVERYTHING YOU STAND FOR."
Apparently it's one of those online things I'm guessing, "YOU'RE STUPID, AND SO IS EVERYTHING YOU STAND FOR."
06-21-05, 02:51 AM
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Well, so far everything I read here is interesting. However, I think that is not how fast or powerful the car is. Is how you drive the car, I mean what kind of car it would be if the driver have no kind of skills? I still like a FB over many cars even though I think those Neon on Steroids are kind of cool. However, I still think that if a driver of a Steroid Neon and I am on my stock FB going on a down hill race I would wipped his a$$ and leave him behind like nothing. I would have the upper hand on that race do to skills and not by powerful or fast car. Also I believe having a car with much power and so much weight would have a big disadvantage. That is just my opinion and not trying to start something here in this thread.
06-21-05, 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by TheLatinHeat
Well, so far everything I read here is interesting. However, I think that is not how fast or powerful the car is. Is how you drive the car, I mean what kind of car it would be if the driver have no kind of skills? I still like a FB over many cars even though I think those Neon on Steroids are kind of cool. However, I still think that if a driver of a Steroid Neon and I am on my stock FB going on a down hill race I would wipped his a$$ and leave him behind like nothing. I would have the upper hand on that race do to skills and not by powerful or fast car. Also I believe having a car with much power and so much weight would have a big disadvantage. That is just my opinion and not trying to start something here in this thread.
I know more power usually wins, but too much I think would be a handicap, including the unexperienced driver.
It's obvious we're on different sides of the spectrum here, but it is just a thought.
06-21-05, 09:40 AM
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https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...ighlight=srt-4
CORRECTION: He was running 14lbs.
PINKY vs. SRT-4
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Getting off the offramp, and stopped behind an SRT-4 with LIC "SRT THIS".
Thought to myself let's see how pinky matches up to a turbo. So i rev the motor to 7G's letting it drop down and hit a couple of backfires.
Then the light turns green, punch 1st, 2nd, 3rd behind him and pass him to the right. Then i look back in the rearview and see that i catch him off guard and he's catching up. Thinking to myself, "it's on."
I slow down in 3rd to wait for him, let him pull up beside me (with him at full throttle) and punched 3rd at about 4G's. I punch it in 3rd with him about a half car ahead of me and stay with him still all the way to the top of 3rd. Once his turbo hit full boost that's when he really started pulling about a half car at the end of 3rd.
We hit a red light. i pull behind him and ask him how many pounds he's running. "13 lbs."
With him at the light and me behind him and one car to my left, he tells me i'm gonna get in front of this car and let's go at the light.
Green light; he moves up to let me get in front of the car to my left. I pass the car and get beside him at around 4-5G's in 1st. Then punch it, he punches it too, we're even. Then when his turbo spools full boost he pulls a half car.
2nd gear; shift and spin my tires. still on him. then his turbo spools, gets about another half car, i'm at his bumper.
3rd; spin my tires again, still on him not losing any ground. again turbo spools and he pulls another half car ahead of me.
We take it to about 80 with him about a car ahead of me pulling about the same and then slowed down for the red light.
Before stopping he tells me, "Damn you're car's fast. What do you have?" i tell him streetport, carb, then he says, "turbo?" i say naw. then he says, "pull over, let me see your motor."
Turned out to be a cool cat. he says, "You're 1st and 2nd gear's killer."
Chat it up a lil more then bounced.
His mods: 13lbs. on stock turbo
and some modified red intake piping.
and that's it and peace out
late i'm drunk.
-Ryan
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Maybe I would have had a chance if I knew how to drive...
CORRECTION: He was running 14lbs.
PINKY vs. SRT-4
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Getting off the offramp, and stopped behind an SRT-4 with LIC "SRT THIS".
Thought to myself let's see how pinky matches up to a turbo. So i rev the motor to 7G's letting it drop down and hit a couple of backfires.
Then the light turns green, punch 1st, 2nd, 3rd behind him and pass him to the right. Then i look back in the rearview and see that i catch him off guard and he's catching up. Thinking to myself, "it's on."
I slow down in 3rd to wait for him, let him pull up beside me (with him at full throttle) and punched 3rd at about 4G's. I punch it in 3rd with him about a half car ahead of me and stay with him still all the way to the top of 3rd. Once his turbo hit full boost that's when he really started pulling about a half car at the end of 3rd.
We hit a red light. i pull behind him and ask him how many pounds he's running. "13 lbs."
With him at the light and me behind him and one car to my left, he tells me i'm gonna get in front of this car and let's go at the light.
Green light; he moves up to let me get in front of the car to my left. I pass the car and get beside him at around 4-5G's in 1st. Then punch it, he punches it too, we're even. Then when his turbo spools full boost he pulls a half car.
2nd gear; shift and spin my tires. still on him. then his turbo spools, gets about another half car, i'm at his bumper.
3rd; spin my tires again, still on him not losing any ground. again turbo spools and he pulls another half car ahead of me.
We take it to about 80 with him about a car ahead of me pulling about the same and then slowed down for the red light.
Before stopping he tells me, "Damn you're car's fast. What do you have?" i tell him streetport, carb, then he says, "turbo?" i say naw. then he says, "pull over, let me see your motor."
Turned out to be a cool cat. he says, "You're 1st and 2nd gear's killer."
Chat it up a lil more then bounced.
His mods: 13lbs. on stock turbo
and some modified red intake piping.
and that's it and peace out
late i'm drunk.
-Ryan
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Maybe I would have had a chance if I knew how to drive...
06-21-05, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 84stock
I have the same mods as you and I can beat'em. Forgot to mention though, I have a couple more though, edelbrock 650 thunder series sitting on a camden.
As who?
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Pretty much the same as everyone posted here, unless you have alot of work done to your SE, there is no way you are going to beat an SRT-4....
I have an SE which is streetported, and i also have an older turbo dodge, a 92 spirit R/T Having driven both, the R/T is my daily driver i'll tell you that flat out especially in the upper rpm's my R/T would eat my SE alive and never think twice especially in the straight away. That being said though if there were turns involved or other handling aspects that would completely change things. No matter how fast the R/T is the SE is more fun to drive and handles like a dream in comparison.
My spirit R/T is a pretty good comparison to the SRT-4, in that it has about the same HP, 235 and has 12lbs boost though instead of the 13 in the SRT-4.
But really to determine who would win really depends on the conditions and how well the drives match up also...
Oh yeah and before the flaming starts about having a spirit r/t i don't drive it for how it looks...if i wanted sexy looks i'd drive my SE all the time, but going to school in north Philly makes using the SE for a daily driver out of the picture...it would be stolen in an instant.
Just my thoughts,
Bryan
I have an SE which is streetported, and i also have an older turbo dodge, a 92 spirit R/T Having driven both, the R/T is my daily driver i'll tell you that flat out especially in the upper rpm's my R/T would eat my SE alive and never think twice especially in the straight away. That being said though if there were turns involved or other handling aspects that would completely change things. No matter how fast the R/T is the SE is more fun to drive and handles like a dream in comparison.
My spirit R/T is a pretty good comparison to the SRT-4, in that it has about the same HP, 235 and has 12lbs boost though instead of the 13 in the SRT-4.
But really to determine who would win really depends on the conditions and how well the drives match up also...
Oh yeah and before the flaming starts about having a spirit r/t i don't drive it for how it looks...if i wanted sexy looks i'd drive my SE all the time, but going to school in north Philly makes using the SE for a daily driver out of the picture...it would be stolen in an instant.
Just my thoughts,
Bryan
06-21-05, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Bteets9914
Pretty much the same as everyone posted here, unless you have alot of work done to your SE, there is no way you are going to beat an SRT-4....
I have an SE which is streetported, and i also have an older turbo dodge, a 92 spirit R/T Having driven both, the R/T is my daily driver i'll tell you that flat out especially in the upper rpm's my R/T would eat my SE alive and never think twice especially in the straight away. That being said though if there were turns involved or other handling aspects that would completely change things. No matter how fast the R/T is the SE is more fun to drive and handles like a dream in comparison.
My spirit R/T is a pretty good comparison to the SRT-4, in that it has about the same HP, 235 and has 12lbs boost though instead of the 13 in the SRT-4.
But really to determine who would win really depends on the conditions and how well the drives match up also...
Oh yeah and before the flaming starts about having a spirit r/t i don't drive it for how it looks...if i wanted sexy looks i'd drive my SE all the time, but going to school in north Philly makes using the SE for a daily driver out of the picture...it would be stolen in an instant.
Just my thoughts,
Bryan
I have an SE which is streetported, and i also have an older turbo dodge, a 92 spirit R/T Having driven both, the R/T is my daily driver i'll tell you that flat out especially in the upper rpm's my R/T would eat my SE alive and never think twice especially in the straight away. That being said though if there were turns involved or other handling aspects that would completely change things. No matter how fast the R/T is the SE is more fun to drive and handles like a dream in comparison.
My spirit R/T is a pretty good comparison to the SRT-4, in that it has about the same HP, 235 and has 12lbs boost though instead of the 13 in the SRT-4.
But really to determine who would win really depends on the conditions and how well the drives match up also...
Oh yeah and before the flaming starts about having a spirit r/t i don't drive it for how it looks...if i wanted sexy looks i'd drive my SE all the time, but going to school in north Philly makes using the SE for a daily driver out of the picture...it would be stolen in an instant.
Just my thoughts,
Bryan
06-21-05, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by EL5Letra
bridge and periferal are different from streetport....he wil need sum type of force induction..
it all depends on how modded the srt4 is. a BP would be able 2 do the job against a lightly modded srt4
06-21-05, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Bteets9914
Grins,
Half the reason i bought, that and in total only 31 silver R/T's were built so it's not likely that i would ever see another one
Bryan
Half the reason i bought, that and in total only 31 silver R/T's were built so it's not likely that i would ever see another one
Bryan
Ugly is in. Who knows, a rare ugly like yours may be worth some cash someday.
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