Elysian

i'd much rather have a WRX or STI than a ******* neon... at the end of the day you still have to cope with the disgraceful fact that you are, in fact, driving a neon. i don't care if u think its not a neon cause it doesn't have the same drivetrain, or suspension, it shares the same frame, the same structure, as a neon, its a neon.

Pen_Two

Thank you. You're my new hero.

wklink

I don't disagree with that, I remember seeing a guy once driving a Turbo Yugo. It is like the Escort GT IMHO. You can dress it up but it is still an Escort.

Point is though not to discount these cars. I know people who probably said the same thing about the Nova SS back in 69.

wklink

Sure you have the right to your opinion but so does DirectFreak. Your rant at him sure didn't seem to extend that right.

Pen_Two

I never once debated him.

"A stock one only has 225 on the window sticker. The only way you can get more is a factory installed Stage 3 which puts it up to 350 I think. I don't know about you, but no matter how fast that car can go. It's still, and will always be, a Neon."

That is not a debate to his opinion. If it is, then hey, you apparently take things a lot differently than most people.

Rotor13B

Having this attitude will make the *** whooping that much more humiliating. Saying that it is still a Neon is the standard excuse that everyone gives after having there *** handed to them, It's called jealousy. Also, your trying to debate a hp issue with a guy whose probably got more power at idle than you do at Wot. I know your all brand new and all but try not to **** off more experienced guys on the forum as they tend to stick together.

Elysian

i'd rather have a 350hp rx7 than a 350hp neon any day. hell i'd rather have a 350hp 90 nissan sentra than a neon... i'd love to see a 350hp neon hand a 350hp rx7 its ***... it won't happen, not only because the neon probly weighs plenty more, but also because its got 1 inherent weakness. its FWD.

Rotor13B

This isn't about what you would rather have, This is about fact. DF was laying down the facts where as Pen Two was giving his opinion. Once again an *** whooping is an *** whooping doesn't matter how it happened.

Pen_Two

What attitude? The "I don't give a **** either way" mood that I'm always in? Regardless if you don't believe me, If I wanted one I sure as hell could have one. So I don't see much jealousy going on. If I was jealous, why would I be restoring an '85 GSL? I don't see a hp debate anywhere, I repeated his 225 hp statement and simply added what the Dodge website says about a stage 3 being added on to it. I could care less who you stick together with. That's a nice try at intimidating me. Oh yes, good job...were on the internet and your trying to intimidate.

Pen_Two

So, my hero...

I was trying to think of something tacky and random, but it wasn't happening.

Pen_Two

Nice! I'm getting attacked for not liking a Neon and prefering a FB!

And dude, seriously. I said it would kick my cars ***. Like I'm trying to say my stock 12a would win, in my dreams maybe.

The fact is in my opinion, a Neon is a Neon. I don't care if you drive it or not, I just don't like it. It can be proclaimed the hottest thing since sliced bread and I still wouldn't care.

I'm not saying it's junk, because I wouldn't know. I just prefer many other vehicles over it. I don't see how you assumed a debate formed out of anything here. He listed facts, ok. I stated my opinion, ok. I don't see where anything went a rye there, that should have been the end of the story, but you had to drag it through the mud.

FB II

soo..... when did this become a battle of who wants what car? we have all been discussing why his gsl-se will not beat it. that's it. you turned this in to a discussion of like or dislike. who cares if you hate it or i hate it or if anybody loves the damn thing. this thread was made so we could unfortunately let one of our rotorites understand that, tho he drives a great car with potential, he need not get his hopes up against this SRT-4. peace

Pen_Two

Yes, because I twisted everyones arm to continue telling me how I'm wrong.

Rotor13B

Nobody give two ***** what mood your in, I was talking about your distain for a car that you talk down in every way possible. DF was laying down FACT about the car and you jump all over him for displaying FACTS about a car you get your panties all in a wad about.

Rotor13B

Trying to intimidate? All I was saying coming in here and throwing your weight around isn't gonna get you very far.

pimpncuba

the srt-4 would pwn the -se. don't believe it go test drive an srt-4. who really cares what the guy thinks about the srt-4. in my opinion regular neons don't deserve respect as fast cars. i pwned a sts neon with slicks at an autox running es on street tires. but the srt-4 is a totally different car and deserves the respect as a fast car. given that they are damn ugly in my opinon they still have my respect. don't turn the 1st gen forum into a gay dick slinging pissing contest like most of the kills section threads turn into.

Arockrx7

they are quick in a straight line yes. But understeer like a minivan. haha This a direct quote from an owner of a SRT4.

FB II

yea, one thing that can't be forgotten is it's a wrong wheel drive car

tjeter

yes yes yes this little fight is enjoyable it doesn't matter if you like the car or not the fact is the cars a ******* beast. and will shred your car to pieces. who cares if "the window sticker says 220 hp" when did car dealers start telling the truth? ive seen those things put that much power down at the wheels stock and sometimes more(by the way these are hard facts, i have nothing against these cars and im by no means a fan boy). to keep up with your bro you need forced induction.. also while your at it take a ride in your bro's SRT-4... then youll realize. and if he even touched that kit that is supposed to give that car "300" horsepower or whatever the number you said is its game over. Also whoever said a 3rd gen FD would walk a SRT-4 i'm not too sure about that i know the SRT-4's aren't pigs but i think there like 2900 lbs, i donno i think it would be a good race but of course im in favor of the FD!

TurboSE

Tech_Greek

I never said they weren't fast, I just said I don't personally like them...

1) Too much wheel hop for me (no matter how perfect you launch it - FWD sucks).
2) Its FWD.

- Tech

Pen_Two

Haha, I wasn't throwing any weight around.

Pen_Two

Where did I jump all over him dude? Seriously. He put down facts, yes. I acknowledged the facts he stated. I never once contradicted the facts of the car.

d0 Luck

i do not think that's entirely true..? my friend w/ a BP on a 48 IDA was beating an EVO and couple other turbocharged cars; it even became much terrifying when he switched to his pport motor. when it comes to turboing, it's all based on how much lbs. your pushing and tuning.

i think a large SP w/ a DCOE or IDA will hang a slightly modded SRT-4. a full BP will definitely give a strong chance against a medium modded SRT-4.

Pen_Two

You're going to hell now.


Apparently it's one of those online things I'm guessing, "YOU'RE STUPID, AND SO IS EVERYTHING YOU STAND FOR."