SA/FB oil pan brace ????
02-13-08, 01:46 PM
#34
love the braaaap
Not sure if you guys looked at the pics, but it mounts on the outside of the pan, sandwiching the pan to the "block". Personally, I see no need for this either. There is very little stress on the oil pan on an FB since there are no engine mounts in that area. With the amount of work required to remove a pan, its cheaper and just as easy to just replace the gasket properly. My 13B has a new gasket on it and no leaks at all.
As far as reducing engine flex like teddyrx2 mentioned, I highly doubt it would benefit much as this plate is only 3/16" thick, hardly enough to help out with flexing. But thats just my opinion.
GlazedHam42, this doesn't eliminate flex as far as I can see. It mearly prevents the rim of the pan from warping as easily and disperses the torque on the fasteners more evenly.
As far as reducing engine flex like teddyrx2 mentioned, I highly doubt it would benefit much as this plate is only 3/16" thick, hardly enough to help out with flexing. But thats just my opinion.
GlazedHam42, this doesn't eliminate flex as far as I can see. It mearly prevents the rim of the pan from warping as easily and disperses the torque on the fasteners more evenly.
02-13-08, 03:20 PM
#37
sorry, you know the quality of education is slacking these days.
i thought it attached between the oil pan and the engine. now that i see its actually outside the oil pan i understand it better.
not a bad idea in theory, has it been proven effective? i kind of dont see the point.
ask DF if he is having any oil pan issues and what his set up is.
i thought it attached between the oil pan and the engine. now that i see its actually outside the oil pan i understand it better.
not a bad idea in theory, has it been proven effective? i kind of dont see the point.
ask DF if he is having any oil pan issues and what his set up is.
02-13-08, 04:52 PM
#38
sorry, you know the quality of education is slacking these days.
i thought it attached between the oil pan and the engine. now that i see its actually outside the oil pan i understand it better.
not a bad idea in theory, has it been proven effective? i kind of dont see the point.
ask DF if he is having any oil pan issues and what his set up is.
i thought it attached between the oil pan and the engine. now that i see its actually outside the oil pan i understand it better.
not a bad idea in theory, has it been proven effective? i kind of dont see the point.
ask DF if he is having any oil pan issues and what his set up is.
02-13-08, 07:00 PM
#39
J tso - no the FC brace does not fit the SE, that is one of the parts being discussed in this thread
Everyone else- I am glad you figured out that it goes on the outside, I was starting to really worry that instructions with pictures may not be enough (jk).
Sorry, it just really struck me as funny when I saw the number of gaskets increasing.
Actually to clarify we recommend eliminating the gasket completely, unless you have a baffle installed then keep the 2 gasket setup.
Everyone else- I am glad you figured out that it goes on the outside, I was starting to really worry that instructions with pictures may not be enough (jk).
Sorry, it just really struck me as funny when I saw the number of gaskets increasing.
Actually to clarify we recommend eliminating the gasket completely, unless you have a baffle installed then keep the 2 gasket setup.
02-14-08, 12:51 AM
#45
love the braaaap
Some mechanics prefer to use a high quality gasket maker in place of the oil pan gasket as it tends to seal better in the long term on some cars. Mainly on cars that have a bad oil pan rim design. I have never seen any problem with the stock oil pan having leaks if the gasket is installed properly. I personally used blue RTV sealant on both sides of the gasket to help fill in any possible gaps that may be in the gasket, and hopefully flex with the oil pan as the gasket ages and doesn't flex as well.
02-14-08, 05:52 AM
#46
In the FSM, under engine/ assembly, there are 2 methods for installing the oil pan, one with and one without the gasket. Using a high grade silicone sealer such as permatex ultra grey, ultra black or hondabond typically eliminates the need for the gasket. It has also been covered many, many times on this forum in different sections.
I am working both the 12a and 13b brace at the same time.
I am working both the 12a and 13b brace at the same time.
02-14-08, 06:04 AM
#47
Terrified.
I'm not quite sure it would be necessary; however, I think a lot of people would buy them for the simple fact of having that extra bit of comfort there. Especially those that are doing 12A turbo setups, or TII swaps.
02-14-08, 11:09 AM
#49
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I would buy your product it seems to be a worthwile investment. I have noticed on some FB pans the get warped from repeadted tightening/ removal-install and this brace would help significantly. I do agree with the one reply about thinner metal to cut costs though. It won't take much to reinforce the sealing area