Ok I got a brilliant idea, well not really but worth tossing around.
I like the benfits of Fuel Injection, but I also like Superchargers, Dont ask me why but I just dont like turbos, besides every1 wants to go turbo, and I want to be different.
So I was looking at the Camden 7" setup and it says it takes a standard 4 barrel square carb setup. Then I remebered seeing a Holley TBI Setup that fits a 4 barrel square bore. heres the info summit: Is this gonna work? I want a stand alone fuel and ignition system.

Brand: Holley
Product Line: Holley Commander 950 TBI Kits
EGR: No
Injection Style: Throttle body
Metering Style: Speed density
Intake Manifold Included: No
Engine Block Style: Stock/OEM standard deck
Fuel Rails Included: No
Throttle Body Included: Yes
Throttle Body Mounting Flange: 4-barrel square bore
Venturi Quantity: 4
Airflow Rate (cfm): 650 cfm
Throttle Body Material: Cast aluminum
Throttle Body Finish: Natural
Injectors Included: Yes
Injector Size (lbs/hr): 85
Calibration Module Included: No
ECM Included: Yes
Wiring Harness Included: Yes
Oxygen Sensor Included: Yes
Fuel Pump Included: Yes
Fuel Pressure Regulator Included: Yes
Distributor Included: No
MAP Sensor Included: Yes
IAT Sensor Included: Yes
TPS Sensor Included: Yes
IAC Motor Included: Yes
Quantity: Sold as a kit.

Infinitely adjustable horsepower.

Multi-Port Fuel Injection, Commander 950 System, Throttle Body, Speed Density, AMC/GM/Mopar/Ford/Plymouth, Kit

Now you can get the horsepower and drivability benefits of EFI for your carbureted V8 with these Holley Commander 950 throttle body injection kits. These kits use speed density technology, which means they improve performance at cruising rpms, as well as throttle response. They also accept engine modifications like bigger cams, headers, etc. But the big deal is that these systems are fully programmable. They give you total control over fuel and timing curves via a laptop computer. They feature a 4-injector throttle body unit with progressive linkage, the Commander 950 ECU, MAP and oxygen sensors, an idle air control motor, an inline fuel pump, a wiring harness, and installation hardware.

Heres a pic

 

theres a good reason why people like turbos... 1, not as parasitic, 2 easier to intercool... the only thing i don't like about the camden supercharger is the inability to intercool it... its very disappointing... why compress air when all ur gonna do is heat it up? detonation here we come!!!


another option, even tho the camden supercharger is made for a squarebore, i've seen this done, on the code blue car, its a weber style intake with an adapter(i believe also made by camden) to go to the holley squarebore...

 

thats not true

 

u got anything to add besides just that comment? prove it to me, prove to me why thermodynamics don't apply...

 

Check out CodeBlue in the NW section. Sweet Camden with a TB setup built by Atkins.

 

Here's the site with all your answers....or at least a place to start. I have riden in this car and it is Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaast.
http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/416517

 

Yeah I seen Code Blue, that is damn nice setup, and thats exactly why I am thinking I should go with this setup. Nothing wrong with a stand alone system. My only prob now is trying to figure out how to get an american dizzy to fit the 7 so I can utilize the built in Ignition control system. Like a mallory or MSD Dizzy, or I also got a 13B "crank sensor" I guess you call it not sure, but it looks like a 1/2 a dizzy to me...... can I just use this 13B sensor and get rid of my dizzy since the sensor is fitted for EFI anyway? I dunno jack crap about EFI, I am a die hard carb fan that wants to give it a shot. Im learning as much as I can on it right now. *bends over* FLAME AWAY!

 

Guess I can answer a few questions since Ive done both camden setups....carbed and efi/ecu.
For the record this has not been an easy process with the Supercharger. I now also own a 85 gslse turbo. If you all remember Iotus's car. So I can compare the both. Supercharger and Turbo.

As for heating issues...YES the supercharger does make things hot, but Elysian your incorrect about not being able to cool them down. With a carbed setup(Holley) its an easy remedy to fix. I modded a 86 clutched fan in my 79, put a aluminum heat shield under the blower, and ran a e-fan. These pretty much solved all heating issues that I had with the carbed setup. I would also wrap your headers for extra protection. If you want more power I'd go fuel injection, but wait till I get mine all perfected since there are a few more issues with fuel injection, unless you want to stress out....lol. I will have these all figured out by the end of the month or so and will post on whats needed to be done. It also depends on how big of ports you have. The smaller the port the less heat issues. Because of the heat Im getting vapor lock with large ports/fuel injection. Another good about carbed is that its much cheaper than going efi. Though the difference between the both is like night and day/with the supercharger setup anyway.

If you have instant messaging Id be happy to talk with you about all issues and heartaches.

Anyways, last night I drove my awesome turbo'ed car and wow it was fun. Im liking it so far big time, but my heart still lies with the Supercharger. Its my goal to have the Camden blower perfected in my 79. Im almost there but again there are some small issues still. I need to make my fuel lines bigger, wrap my headers, and possibly mod my hood a bit. Ive had a rough road getting my car right. Hopefully, my setup will help others that wish to have a supercharger with efi.

Honestly I think turbo is so much easier to deal with than a Supercharger, but gotta love that low end torque that blowers have. Every time I drive my Supercharged 7, its an experience in itself. If you like an adrenaline rush everytime you get in your car go Supercharger, but be prepared for a long journey in perfecting it. That journey for me is right around the corner and again hope my setup(s) help others that wish to do the Supercharger.

 

u misunderstood me. i'm not talking about heating up the motor, i'm talking about changing the temperature of the intake air when the air is compressed. if you cannot intercool this air, it is a very poor setup imo.

 

To the original poster: Don't waste your money on the holley system. It's very limited in it's tuning abilities and I don't think you'd want to risk your engine with a system that just isn't very adjustable. The throttlebody itself is quite nice, but the computer is basically garbage and waaay too much money. People have run them, but I know two guys locally with corvettes that gave up on the system; and that was what it's designed for. Also you might want to look at doing a custom install of a Eaton M90 supercharger and intercooler, it's a more efficient set-up but much more labor intensive.
Grant

 

not true. turbos are parasitic, just not near as much. however you look at it, it takes power to make power. the turbo disrupts the flow of exhaust cause some lost ponies. the advantage of a supercharger is that there is no lag for boost. lets say you shift or are doing a race form a role, the superchared motor will instantly have boost. as far for cooling them, just coat everything with some heat coat and wrap your header, and make your air intake froma cold source. pretty easy.

i personally though like turbos just because i love the feel of my old turbo'ed FB or my friends 89 toyota celica all-treac running 400 awhp.

 

I was always of the opinion, this is based on piston engine comparisons so it may not apply, that when the overall package was looked at supercharging was the way to go. My list of reasons would go on forever, but the main one was that dispite being less efficient at producing power superchargers are less maintainance intensive than a turbo. Like my grandfather always says: "Anything that turns in excess of 50,000 rpm, and especially something delicate like a ceramic turbine, is going to become a problem sooner or later."

 

The Holley Projection is a speed density system but it is based on Alpha-N tuning. Look that one up to see how it works. I don't like Alpha-N unless I have no choice which is typically with low vacuum high overlap race engines. It does work though. You just don't fine tune as good with it. For a cheap ecu solution, I am personally running a Megasquirt ecu. I've got about $200 into the whole thing and the car runs great. i can make it work with conventional speed density or Alpha-N and have much more tuning ability than the projection does. Ther are obviously other options out there but for a very support oriented system that is cheap to do and works great, it's a nice little product.

Here's the main page:
http://www.bgsoflex.com/megasquirt.html

Here's the forum:
http://www.msefi.com

You can buy a Holley style throttlebody for as little as $75.
http://www.auto-nomics.com/cgi-bin/s...rt=10850-002-D

This setup would be very cost effective and have more tuning ability than a Pro-jection. You would just need to fab up a fuel rail and some minor other stuff but that's it. The Pro-jection needs a low pressure fuel pump like a carb. This way uses a high pressure fuel system like traditional fuel injection.

I rode in the Codeblue car at Sevenstock last year. That car is fun! The low end it makes really gives you the illusion that there is a much larger engine under the hood. No turbo system has ever done that. They all feel like small engines with turbos bolted to them. You really need to ride in or drive a supercharged rotary to see what I mean. It didn't matter that the car doesn't make 400 hp. Proponents of turbos always say that superchargers can't make as much power as turbos. So what? If that's not your goal, what's the point? I personally feel that a supercahrger is tons of fun on the street. I have a turbo car and it is plenty fast and fun but it feels nothing like a supercharged car. It never will regardless of how fast it is. If you're up to it, go for it. Screw everyone else.

 

Maybe getting the entire kit would be a bad idea, but buy the TB seperate, add some injectors, use a megasquirt ECU, Fab up the rails, add some sensors, and boom....Im gonna have to look into this a little more.......

 

Don't let anyone tell you the Megasquirt ecu is tough to build or hard to tune yourself. Not true. You also do not need a dyno to tune it any more than you would with a carb. This is a myth spread by those too lazy to do things properly. I actually had looked into a Haltech as well as a Microtech ecu but settled on this instead. I'm glad I did. The online support is fantastic, no one ever insults your project, ideas, or tells you to do a search. They just help. The ecu is always being updated but none of them ever makes your obsolete. You just update if you choose to. Try that with any other system. When they improve the rest of them, that leaves yours as the old one and soon it is obsolete. The Megasquirt isn't perfect but neither are the other choices. For the price, you can't complain. About the only drawback with this whole setup is paying for the supercharger. That's the single most expensive part. Turbos are fun but I still say go for the supercharger. It's your car. Do what makes YOU happy!

 

I wasn't gonna say it but I totally agree with Rotarygod on this one. Megasquirt is definately the way to go for management these days. MSII should also have some exciting features once to code catches up to the new processor.
Grant

 

hence why i said "not as parasitic"... i've read(forget specifically where) but when u get to 85psi or so it takes more power to make boost than u get back... i realize turbo's are parasitic, but its much less so than superchargers...