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Old May 22, 2020 | 06:58 PM
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Racing Beat spring question

I recently picked up some unused Racing Beat springs. Any one run 205-50\15 with these springs? Wondering how\if the fronts will work out.
I have no rubbing on stock springs..
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Old May 22, 2020 | 09:44 PM
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Yes,easily accomplished with proper offset wheels. What wheels do you have?
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Old May 23, 2020 | 12:56 AM
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Old May 23, 2020 | 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Kdo58
17" work
What is offset of your wheels?
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Old May 23, 2020 | 10:20 AM
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I have no idea, they look good but with no side walls they ride harsh.
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Old May 23, 2020 | 11:02 AM
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Good question,should have thought to include that information. They are 15x7 back set of 115mm and off set looks to be +25mm

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Old May 23, 2020 | 06:34 PM
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Are those 205/50/15 tires on the wheels now?
If so there will be no contact on RB spring.
Ideal offset for non SE suspension is +20 mm.
RB spring will drop car @1/3”-3/4” in front.
How close is tire to fender lip in straight ahead position,looks to be ok but hard to judge with wheels turned like in pic.
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Old May 23, 2020 | 09:56 PM
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I just threw on some RB springs and have stock GSL-SE wheels and tires, which are 205/60/14, which are slightly bigger than 205/50/15 (comparison). So as mentioned above, sounds like offset is most important since your tires will be smaller than stock GSL-SE. Waiting for the springs to settle to get some pics (finally got them in yesterday).

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Old May 24, 2020 | 01:06 PM
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Old May 25, 2020 | 10:25 AM
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Classic WEDS Bavaria wheels, man. Those are period correct for the car and those look to be pristine.

I'm running 15x7 wheels with 38mm offset (*tires are 205/55 Yoko) which is just shy of the stock GSL-SE offset of 40mm (14x5.5). Your offset is putting the centerline of the wheel inboard from where it should be, which is adding to your risk of contact with the spring. Lowering the car changes the geometry, but only slightly, and not enough to provide much more clearance, unless you install adjustable camber plates and run them zero to positive, which ruins handling. Unfortunately, the tire sizes you're looking at are likely to scrub the springs unless you go with a narrower width, like 195. Modern tires include some widening efforts like rebated bead seats to help with wheel curb rash, which only adds to your problem.

First step is to get an alignment and then measure carefully from under the car when it's on tracks and weighted like you'd drive it. Give extra clearance for cornering forces and turning radius. Don't take any chances and don't allow any contact - it's not worth totalling the car or driving off a cliff due to a blow-out.
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Old May 25, 2020 | 10:51 AM
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Classic WEDS Bavaria wheels, man. Those are period correct for the car and those look to be pristine.

I'm running 15x7 wheels with 38mm offset (*tires are 205/55 Yoko) which is just shy of the stock GSL-SE offset of 40mm (14x5.5). Your offset is putting the centerline of the wheel inboard from where it should be, which is adding to your risk of contact with the spring. Lowering the car changes the geometry, but only slightly, and not enough to provide much more clearance, unless you install adjustable camber plates and run them zero to positive, which ruins handling. Unfortunately, the tire sizes you're looking at are likely to scrub the springs unless you go with a narrower width, like 195. Modern tires include some widening efforts like rebated bead seats to help with wheel curb rash, which only adds to your problem.

First step is to get an alignment and then measure carefully from under the car when it's on tracks and weighted like you'd drive it. Give extra clearance for cornering forces and turning radius. Don't take any chances and don't allow any contact - it's not worth totalling the car or driving off a cliff due to a blow-out.
I have a finger or two space from wheel to spring now. I had thought of going to195s and just keeping the 205s as spares, or I could shop for new wheels but like you sad these are kinda rare and in good shape plus I've grown fond of them. OK food for thought. Thanks to everyone for the info...
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Old May 26, 2020 | 04:20 PM
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Soooo, I pulled a front strut out to do some other work and it looks like the original owner cut the coils. The whole flat part of the top of the stock spring is gone.


The spring lengths look to about the same, the RB ones may even be a hair longer. With this in mind I suspect there shouldn't be any clearance issues.. what say yee...
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Old May 26, 2020 | 04:55 PM
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Put them in,you’re already there
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Old May 26, 2020 | 08:45 PM
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The RB springs are direct replacements for OE. If you have almost 2 fingers between the tire and factory spring you will be fine.
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Old May 27, 2020 | 03:48 PM
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You'll be fine, throw em in! You'll probably notice an increased ride height instead of a lowered one, as the old coils are cut and worn out - the RB ones are new and stiffer.
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Old May 31, 2020 | 02:39 AM
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Do RB springs have a dead coil so they can be cut a little and not affect the spring rate?
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Old May 31, 2020 | 07:13 AM
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Do RB springs have a dead coil so they can be cut a little and not affect the spring rate?
No sorry.
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Old May 31, 2020 | 06:37 PM
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One corner done,rusty bolts are a pita...

and I'm doing this at the same time

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Old May 31, 2020 | 06:46 PM
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Is that the T3 kit?
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Old Jun 1, 2020 | 05:23 PM
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Is that the T3 kit?
Looks like the T3 kit, thats the next major mod imma do on mines.
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Old Jun 2, 2020 | 08:04 PM
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Yes it is.
Fit and finish is pretty good only odd thing is the braided brake line hanger for the strut doesn't work right with the rx7 strut.
You'll have to get creative if you want a backing plate and don't forget the lug nuts if you want to run the studs.
Also I was only sent the inner bearings not the outer, fortunately I had new ones in my parts supply.The ones in the kit say "Made in China".....

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Yes it is.
Fit and finish is pretty good only odd thing is the braided brake line hanger for the strut doesn't work right with the rx7 strut.
You'll have to get creative if you want a backing plate and don't forget the lug nuts if you want to run the studs.
Also I was only sent the inner bearings not the outer, fortunately I had new ones in my parts supply.The ones in the kit say "Made in China".....
Curious to see what you think of the kit! They actually reached out to me to see if I'd send them a backing plate set so they could R&D new ones...not sure if that's supposed to be a secret or not...
Not surprised about the "Made in China", most bearings are manufactured there anyways. Let us know how the kit goes!
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Old Jun 3, 2020 | 08:12 PM
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Add to the two a fore mentioned issues above, the 4 bolts in the kit to fasten the calipers to the spindle bracket are to large and won't fit.
They won't pass through the caliper or thread into the bracket.
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Old Jun 13, 2020 | 04:26 PM
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Well I was sent the wrong caliper to bracket bolts, new ones are on the way. T3 also offered to send the missing bearings..
This is what I did to secure the brake line at the hanger.




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Old Jun 13, 2020 | 06:02 PM
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I would expect a lot better quality"kit" for what you paid,not impressed. Not a secret i;m not a fan of T3 stuff,just one more reason.
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