I've been looking at and comparing different headers and there is something I can't figure out. On the racing beat website, the GSL-SE streetable header is $258 and the 13b 4 port (81-85) header is only $188. The pickup tube for the 6 port actuators is actually in the pre-silencer on the racing beat systems, NOT the header. So what is the difference between an RB 4 port and 6 port 13b header, if any?

I don't understand why the SE specific header is $70 more expensive.

 

because it is a different header. It's shaped differently to clear the actuators and the huge 6 port manifold. either way your better off buying a real header instead of RB crap.

 

RB crap? I don't seen how they can justify $70 price increase for a slightly different header path...

If not RB, whats a good header for the same price?

Also, how the hell are you making bridgeport numbers on a stockport??

 

I think they justify it because of supply and demand, just a thought.

 

They couldn't possibly out to make a profit?!

So whats a better header than the RB setup for around the same price?

 

for the same price nothing. If you want a real header got the rotary shack header.

 

There you go again attacking RB. It is not crap. It is a good quality header for the price. Roberts header is better but it is a hell of a lot more money. It depends what is in your budget and what your ultimate goal is.

 

Well after my experiance with them today after handing them almost a grand and getting terrible service, I was on the attack. I will never spend another penny with them. On the other hand it's a great header for someone who wants something much better than stock that will last forever and make a decent power improvement. But it's by far not the best performing header out there.

 

So the Rotary Shack header can be used in a stockport 12a ? Or it is designed for ported motors ?

 

As an SE owner with a Racing Beat header and presilencer installed, it might have something to do with the fact that there's an O2 sensor bung on the rear of the header tube for your stock O2 sensor to work.

Also, I've owned headers for an 80LS, and the path was identical. The '6'-ports on the SE do not protrude so much that the header flow shape has to be different.

The SE headers that I have were hard chromed when I received them, extremely durable external finish, along with the presilencer. The only difference I saw between them was that the SE header had the O2 sensor bung. Go figure.

I'm a long-time RB customer (20+ years) and never had any problems with any of their parts or service. I guess I must be in the minority.

 

If you're in the minority, Duck, then so am I; I've had nothing but great service from Tanner and his crew, over the 10 or so years I've been dealing with them.

Even to the extent of their chief engineer Jim Mederer volunteering to find, check and approve some 80 12A Cal-smog end plates for me... when they don't even deal in used parts, normally.

I can appreciate Hyper's upset, and I can see his point, but one screwup doesn't make all their products 'crap.'

That's just not fair, sir.

 

yea i bought over $1000 from them and got great service fast shipping and a great product

 

You obviously havent read my rants about thier headers have you. Overpriced pacesetters is what they are. lol...

 

You mean the one where you wrote:
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I'm definitely not looking to start an argument here, and I have tons of respect for your experience and the work you've done, but don't you think you're maybe letting your upset get the better of you in this case?

Just sayin'.

 

When I wrote that the ONLY headers available from anyone was RB and pacesetter, so when your options are eating **** and stepping in it you chose to step in it. Now Rob has a real header available based on the SDJ design there's no reason to Buy RB unless you want quiet and streetable and don't want to explore the full potential of your car.

There are much better options if you can find them.

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only ones still in production are the pacesetter, RB, and now the Rotaryshack header. There's no reason for me to buy from them again.

 

Keep in mind that all of your gains with the other setup with the exception of "maybe" 3-4 hp were not from the header itself but rather from the difference between a 2.25" vs a 3" system after the header as well as the ISC expansion chamber. Don't forget the different mufflers. Then also consider that since the larger exhaust flowed better, you further changed your tuning to compensate which allowed even larger gains. You had great results don't get me wrong but please don't lead anyone to believe that RB has a crap header that is nothing more than an overglorified Pacesetter header. That's just not true. It's a decent piece that fits the bill for most people out there. FWIW I've found good power in a Pacesetter header. Build quality is another story altogether.

The RB header may not be the best in the world but it's nowhere near the worse and maybe only down a couple of hp from a really nice one. When we are talking about 2 pipes, there isn't much difference in them. Even when one turns immediated out of the engine vs 3" after. That's only good for a couple more hp.