Question for those with the Respeed brake kit
10-16-06, 09:44 PM
#1
Question for those with the Respeed brake kit
There are numerous threads about this I realize, but there don't seem to be very definitive answers there. My question is basically what size wheels are you guys running and what offset ended up working out right? I'm going to be running the 5 lug hubs and 4 piston calipers, just wondering what I should be looking for as far as wheels go. I know that stock FC wheels will require spacers, I'm looking to avoid using those. Thanks
Sean
Sean
10-16-06, 10:24 PM
#3
Yea the widebody changes everything. I wanna run stock fenders, with either a 15x7 or 16x7 if I can't find what I want in 15's. I would rather not have to roll the fender lip either. I'm looking at Gram Lights 57C's as a possibility, they are listed on Tirerack as replacements for a S5 TII, but doesn't that mean they won't fit on my car without the spacers needed for the stock FC wheels? I think the Gram lights have +42 offset or something around there, would I have to get a wheel with less offset to fit correctly?
10-16-06, 10:44 PM
#5
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One thing I found in searching is the the 2nd gen Convertable BBS rims, which are 15x6.5 with +40mm offset need a 1" spacer up front and the fender lip rolled. I'm going to be getting the respeed kit and I already have it worked out that my 16x7 rims with +38mm offset and a 1" spacer will barely fit with a 205/45 tire. Rear is not a problem without a spacer, but with a spacer its just as tight as the front. I actually just went through all the measuring today. Note here though, you WILL have to roll the fender with anything wider than a 6.5" width.
To sum it up, you want a +12mm offset I believe. I think the respeed kit puts the 2nd gen spindle at pretty much the same relative position as the stock one, meaning the offsets would be the same as for stock.
To sum it up, you want a +12mm offset I believe. I think the respeed kit puts the 2nd gen spindle at pretty much the same relative position as the stock one, meaning the offsets would be the same as for stock.
Last edited by 85rotarypower; 10-16-06 at 10:48 PM.
10-16-06, 10:53 PM
#6
Originally Posted by 85rotarypower
One thing I found in searching is the the 2nd gen Convertable BBS rims, which are 15x6.5 with +40mm offset need a 1" spacer up front and the fender lip rolled. I'm going to be getting the respeed kit and I already have it worked out that my 16x7 rims with +38mm offset and a 1" spacer will barely fit with a 205/45 tire. Rear is not a problem without a spacer, but with a spacer its just as tight as the front. I actually just went through all the measuring today. Note here though, you WILL have to roll the fender with anything wider than a 6.5" width.
To sum it up, you want a +12mm offset I believe. I think the respeed kit puts the 2nd gen spindle at pretty much the same relative position as the stock one, meaning the offsets would be the same as for stock.
To sum it up, you want a +12mm offset I believe. I think the respeed kit puts the 2nd gen spindle at pretty much the same relative position as the stock one, meaning the offsets would be the same as for stock.
10-16-06, 10:54 PM
#7
The General RE
I think the kit retains the stock offset of requirement 18mm. Meaning that the wheel mounting face of the new rotor location is in the same location as the originals. Not sure though. I made the kit for my car. It should be similar, because there are not too many ways to do it. I run custom 20mm spacers and ARP 100-7713 studs.
Maybe you should IM REspeed to be sure.
Maybe you should IM REspeed to be sure.
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10-16-06, 11:43 PM
#8
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I was reading through the past threads on this topic and I believe every one of them said that you have to roll the fender lip. You are the first to say otherwise.
10-17-06, 06:35 AM
#9
Alright, looks like longer studs and spacers are in my future, where did you guys get the spacers anyway, I know they can get kinda pricey. Seems like all the wheels that I like are only available 16" and bigger, too bad since personally I think 15's look better on a first gen....
10-17-06, 07:23 AM
#10
The kit does put the wheel mounting flange in the same place as stock, +/- 1/32".
Rear kit only a few days away. The kit has been built and tested for a while now. The only hold up is to make sure the emergency cable works out for all models, i.e..81-85 GSL and 84-85 GSL-SE. The part numbers are listed different between them so we brought in new of each number to make sure.
-billy
Rear kit only a few days away. The kit has been built and tested for a while now. The only hold up is to make sure the emergency cable works out for all models, i.e..81-85 GSL and 84-85 GSL-SE. The part numbers are listed different between them so we brought in new of each number to make sure.
-billy
10-17-06, 07:54 AM
#12
Originally Posted by bwaits
The only hold up is to make sure the emergency cable works out for all models, i.e..81-85 GSL and 84-85 GSL-SE. The part numbers are listed different between them so we brought in new of each number to make sure.
FYI, I recently replaced my GSL handbrake cables, then installed SE suspension and brakes, the GSL cable fit exactly, I noticed the different listing but I'm sure the parts are the same as both types of rear brakes have worked fine on my handbrake cables.
Steve
10-17-06, 09:56 AM
#15
Originally Posted by vipernicus42
Is it possible to end up with a 2nd Gen 4-lug bolt pattern, but still have 4-piston calipers?
Jon
Jon
Originally Posted by aussiesmg
FYI, I recently replaced my GSL handbrake cables, then installed SE suspension and brakes, the GSL cable fit exactly, I noticed the different listing but I'm sure the parts are the same as both types of rear brakes have worked fine on my handbrake cables.
Steve
Steve
-billy
10-17-06, 01:42 PM
#18
Any machinist who narrows rear ends for drag racing should be able to redrill the rear axles. The guy who did mine charged me $150 including the studs. I bought a pair of SE axles, so he only had to drill 4 of the 5 holes. I have described my rear brake conversion on here before more than once. The caliper adapter is very simple. The hard part is the bracket for the handbrake cable. No machine work required for the rear conversion.
I used the 15 x 6 1/2 BBS alloys from a 1990 convertible. You may find wheels you like better, but it is unlikely you will find lighter weight wheels. I did this because the wheels were given to me, and the brakes were cheap - I paid $100 for a set of four, including the front hubs.
Assuming you don't lower the car, there is definitely no need to roll the fenders with these wheels and tire sizes. No spacer required in the rear with 225-50 tires. 1.25 inch spacer in the front with 205-50s, plenty of fender clearance. My front spacers were custom made by my machinist.
I used the 15 x 6 1/2 BBS alloys from a 1990 convertible. You may find wheels you like better, but it is unlikely you will find lighter weight wheels. I did this because the wheels were given to me, and the brakes were cheap - I paid $100 for a set of four, including the front hubs.
Assuming you don't lower the car, there is definitely no need to roll the fenders with these wheels and tire sizes. No spacer required in the rear with 225-50 tires. 1.25 inch spacer in the front with 205-50s, plenty of fender clearance. My front spacers were custom made by my machinist.
10-17-06, 02:06 PM
#19
^ Very nice setup!
I will be using 15x7 Panasports with the 4x114.3 bolt pattern. I will be doing the TII brakes up front, with GSL-SE brakes in the rear. I plan to run 205's up front with 225's in the rear. I will try it without the spacers considering the offset will be different on the Pana's then the BBS's you are using. Anyone using Pana's with the kit please chime in......
Thanks
I will be using 15x7 Panasports with the 4x114.3 bolt pattern. I will be doing the TII brakes up front, with GSL-SE brakes in the rear. I plan to run 205's up front with 225's in the rear. I will try it without the spacers considering the offset will be different on the Pana's then the BBS's you are using. Anyone using Pana's with the kit please chime in......
Thanks
10-17-06, 02:17 PM
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[QUOTE=bwaits]Currently there is a way. I hope shortly to be able to offer a second and better choice. Currently you can have the 5 lug rotor re-drilled with the 4 lug pattern. One of the holes is shared so you are only drilling 3 extra holes. If done correctly none of the new holes interfere with any of the old holes.
yes, i did it this way with the 4 lug 2nd gen hubs and re drilled the TT2 brake rotors to 4 lug. And i put 18X7 wheels with 215/35/18 tires with no rubbing issues at all.
yes, i did it this way with the 4 lug 2nd gen hubs and re drilled the TT2 brake rotors to 4 lug. And i put 18X7 wheels with 215/35/18 tires with no rubbing issues at all.
10-17-06, 02:45 PM
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I'm going to be redrilling my 4x110 rear axles for free, plus studs of course. My dad works for a tool and die shop and has access to all the needed equipment. I've already got front calipers and hubs from a j-spec TII, so thats already worked out. All I need now is the respeed kit, disks and pads for the front, redrill the rear axles and disks to work with 5x4.5.
10-17-06, 03:40 PM
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[QUOTE=bwaits]Currently there is a way. I hope shortly to be able to offer a second and better choice. Currently you can have the 5 lug rotor re-drilled with the 4 lug pattern. One of the holes is shared so you are only drilling 3 extra holes. If done correctly none of the new holes interfere with any of the old holes.
I am paying a machine shop 100.00 to redrilled both fronts. Is that a fair price? Just wondering
I am paying a machine shop 100.00 to redrilled both fronts. Is that a fair price? Just wondering
10-17-06, 04:18 PM
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Machine shops in this area run at about $60 per hour. With setup and run time that does not seem to bad.
-billy
Originally Posted by bwaits
Currently there is a way. I hope shortly to be able to offer a second and better choice. Currently you can have the 5 lug rotor re-drilled with the 4 lug pattern. One of the holes is shared so you are only drilling 3 extra holes. If done correctly none of the new holes interfere with any of the old holes.
I am paying a machine shop 100.00 to redrilled both fronts. Is that a fair price? Just wondering
I am paying a machine shop 100.00 to redrilled both fronts. Is that a fair price? Just wondering
-billy
10-17-06, 05:46 PM
#24
billy is going to be offering new custom moroso axles with a brake kit. i hope you werent wanting to keep these details away from the public till a later date billy.
id love to buy this, but i think it may be too expensive for me at this time. what im looking at doing is trying to find a machine shop redrill my axles and rotors. i just bought all brand new brakes for the SE rearend and they have 0 miles on them.
although, the more i think about it, the more i just want to wait and buy billy's set up. that way i can put the SE axles and brakes on my newly aquired GSL
82transam--for your initial question. i have 16x7 Work Equips. i got them from an importer in california. they have some curb rash and need center caps. they can be fixed by a wheels shop and will be as soon as i get to where thats my biggest concern. i got them for $400 shipped, a good deal in my eyes. im not 100% sure what the backspacing is, but they fit very well to the fenders. i can get you better pics in a couple days, but until then heres the pics from the first day she was able to roll.
id love to buy this, but i think it may be too expensive for me at this time. what im looking at doing is trying to find a machine shop redrill my axles and rotors. i just bought all brand new brakes for the SE rearend and they have 0 miles on them.
although, the more i think about it, the more i just want to wait and buy billy's set up. that way i can put the SE axles and brakes on my newly aquired GSL
82transam--for your initial question. i have 16x7 Work Equips. i got them from an importer in california. they have some curb rash and need center caps. they can be fixed by a wheels shop and will be as soon as i get to where thats my biggest concern. i got them for $400 shipped, a good deal in my eyes. im not 100% sure what the backspacing is, but they fit very well to the fenders. i can get you better pics in a couple days, but until then heres the pics from the first day she was able to roll.