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ok now here's how to make a 1st gen REALLY fast

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Old Sep 12, 2002 | 04:25 PM
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ok now here's how to make a 1st gen REALLY fast

http://www.wilde-evolutions.com/abou...5b92996abfbdf0

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Old Sep 12, 2002 | 04:39 PM
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Re: ok now here's how to make a 1st gen REALLY fast

Electric.

Pffft...
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Old Sep 12, 2002 | 05:07 PM
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Old Sep 12, 2002 | 05:34 PM
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I would still like to try doing that just to see. When Wilde first built that and took the EV, I remember hearing that it only cost about 3-4k for the complete conversion, or something fairly cheap. Probably a lot of hidden cost though (like charging and maintenance).

EDIT: Pretty great to see a 1st gen jump a viper like that. Maybe if anyone ever finishes a 13B-REW swap we could see it then too. Of course, that's if... (j/k of course )

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Old Sep 12, 2002 | 07:59 PM
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Old Sep 12, 2002 | 08:24 PM
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hey... how about having a pair of electric motors, one for each rear wheel. Or, put in a front diff and have an easier implementation of AWD.

Either way, you can TRUTHFULLY say your car is powered by 2 rotors
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Old Sep 12, 2002 | 08:36 PM
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I actually think the 1st gen type platform would be ideal for a hybrid commuter vehicle... electric motors powering the rear wheels or, as peejay suggested, AWD, with an on-board small, highly efficient gasoline engine that kicks in to top up the batteries.

Around town it's perfect as short hops would hardly tax the batteries, and in stop-and-go commuter traffic the ICE kicks in automatically and keeps the car charged. You get to work/the mall/home and the ICE keeps going (kinda like a turbo timer) until it reaches full charge.

I'm sick of seeing Excursions and Envoys with a single person (for some reason usually a woman 5'5" or less) behind the wheel jsut running errands like paying bills, picking up a litre of milk, etc.

California is putting tax incentives into place for ULEV and EV vehicle purchasers, yet effective EVs remain a pipe dream; hybrids tap into the compact fuel source of gasoline while keeping the actual ICE running at peak efficiency (and driving constant-load items like air conditioning, power steering pumps, etc)
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Old Sep 12, 2002 | 08:37 PM
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I like it!
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Old Sep 12, 2002 | 09:08 PM
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Cars require only about 25 or so HP to maintain highway speed.

I have this vision of a simple ~40hp engine (say a small 2-stroke) driving generators that charge a big battery pack. Electric motors are used.

That way the gasoline powered generator keeps the batteries topped up, which is can do since it can provide an electricity surplus under most conditions, and when you need a burst of acceleration it just draws reserve power from the batteries.

The cool part of this is, the generator engine can be very efficient since it can work in a narrow RPM band, and the engine doesn't have to be sized to provide max HP loads so it's even better than a CVT.
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Old Sep 12, 2002 | 09:31 PM
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You and I just said the same thing. Great minds think alike. Then again, fools never differ

I've sourced out some 200 - 250 HP electric motors. These things are crazy efficient and the size/weight gains over 25 HP motors is nothing to be concerned about. One motor, two controllers, and a simple brain that checks the charge level and activates/deactivates the combustion engine accordingly (As opposed to the Honda method, which is a weak ICE with electric assist) mated with electric brakes (with ABS and regenerative braking built in - these are all off-the-shelf components, BTW) and electric steering. The car would not only be far lighter than a conventional EV, but odds are it'd be lighter than a stock SA.

The Maniac Mazda drag racer, pictured above, is only 2300 lbs with 72 batteries over the rear axle
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Old Sep 12, 2002 | 11:45 PM
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Isn't it the torque of the electric motor that makes it so appealing? HP is overrated, it's that instant on power that would be sweet.

Originally posted by Manntis
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Hehe, crazy Canadians
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Old Sep 12, 2002 | 11:51 PM
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think 'quart'
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Old Sep 13, 2002 | 12:24 AM
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I need to make that my avatar. too funny.
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Old Sep 13, 2002 | 04:22 PM
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boooooooo bbboooooooo boooooooo
this is as bad as putting a ford engine in a rexy booooooooooooooooo boooooooooooooo
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