vipernicus42

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Hey Guys,

Like the title says, I'm hoping that someone could to me a favor so that I can work on my timing. My timing marks/notches are impossible to make out, so I was hoping that someone could turn their main pulley to line the leading mark with the pin, take a picture of it (so I can see what the mark itself should look like) then take the distributor cap off and give me a picture of the rotor.

From the direction of the rotor I can approximate the location of the timing mark, and look more closely at 1/4 of my pulley instead of the whole thing. That'll narrow down my search and give me something to look for since I've never seen the timing marks before.

So yeah, anyone who can post pics of the pulley with the timing mark aligned with the pin, and the rotor under the dizzy's direction when the pulley is aligned is invited to PLEASE do so, to help me out!

Jon

vipernicus42

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Since I posted this last night and people aren't likely to do this in the dark, I'll bump it up so people can see it during the day!

Jon

seanrot

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Dude dont take this the wrong way. If you cant find the marks on your pulley taking a pic of them aint going to help. mine were just two indentations after 20 something years, I just found the indentations and put some white out in them. As for your dizzy lining up for correct timing please do a search, or buy the haynes manual, you can even download the factory service manual off here and that will tell you hows its done.

vipernicus42

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Seanrot, I *have* the Heynes manual - it's not helpful.

I know they're probably just little notches, but I can't find them. The dizzy pic isn't to align the dizzy, read it again. I want to know which direction the rotor is pointing when the timing notch is aligned so that I can point my rotor in approximately the rignt direction which narrows down the area for me to find the notch in.

I did a search, of course, and found no pics of what I'm looking for. I've downloaded the '85 FSM and it has nothing either. I own a Heynes.

THAT's why I started the thread.

Jon

seanrot

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OK, Sorry here is your picture. I did this cause you made me feel bad that you cant find two indentations Keep in mind that one turn on the pulley = 1/2 on the dizzy. Meaning that I took the picture with the leading mark line up and the arrow on the rotor was facing forward. Rotated the pulley again and the arrow was pointing to the rear of the car. Good luck

puntorotary

so do you want the arrow to point to the front or the back of the car?

vipernicus42

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Sean, you're an awesome guy



I'll see if I can't take a picture of my "notches" when I find them... to show you guys how little they show up !

Jon

Feds

Make sure you're looking at the right pulley. There is a 2nd pulley nested inside the crank pulley, which has the timing marks. Look at the edge of the pulley closest to the engine. Feel around there with your fingernail.

P.S. Thanks for the Salsa. Next time, try to find some Herdez

puntorotary

anyone???

seanrot

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ATTENTION......I knew that this would happen....



This isn't how you set your timing when you install the dizzy.

Intructions for installing the Dizzy

There is a lump on the bottom of the aluminum part of the distributor near the black gear.

There is a dimple on the black part just above the gear line those up

Set your leading timing mark in line with the pointer.

Slide the dizzy in and have a nice day.



This was only to help the guy find the Timing MARKS....



and it doesn't matter if its facing front or back. the timing marks should be up.

seanrot

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I apologize for the large font and the rudeness of this but I want i to be clear and to the point. This was only to help the GUY FIND THE TIMING MARKS

puntorotary

Dang!!!!!! You Dont Have To Get Your Panties In A Bunch!!!
This A Technical Forum To Help People Out..take A Chill Pill

seanrot

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Missed this when you accused me of having my panties in a bunch, didnt ya. BTW Commando all the way. Looks really good with sweat pants




That wasn't directed to you that was directed to anyone that might read this and get that idea.. I wanted it to be obvious what we were doing on this thread. Some people look past the small writing on the wall and make assumptions.

puntorotary

Gotcha!!
just thought id put it out there...lol ...invest in some briefs man for the sake of humanity..lol

Jeff20B

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I stopped using the dimple on the black part just above the gear a long time ago. All I do is line up the flat part of the shaft either pointing forward or rearward and make sure the reluctor tip is close to the leading pickup (this is how you set static timing). I also always hand rotate the engine untill the leading mark is at the pin before I stab the dizzy in.

vipernicus, do you need any specific pictures? I still have access to a digital camera and can field a couple requests.

BMS2004

if it doesn't work one way I.E. facing forward reset the pointer to TDC and try facing the other way, i've had to do that once before. It it possible to be 180 out you'll know if it is when you hear it run again. just make sure the pointer on rotor is facing either forwards or backwards.

Ron

Jeff20B

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Yeah, the dizzy can be installed 180° out, but make sure the pulley is lined up correctly. In other words, the dizzy can be 180° out, but the E shaft can't. Does that make any sense?

vipernicus42

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Are the timing marks grooves or bumps? I've been out there turning the pulley a couple of times before looking for them and no matter how much I turn the pulley, I can't find any grooves in it. I'm looking on the innermost lip of the pulley, the one that the pin almost touches.

Jeff, or sean, if you guys can grab a pic of the timing marks themselves it would be great - give me an idea of what I'm looking for.

I haven't been back home since you posted the pic sean, so I'll have to try pointing the dizzy that way and looking within an inch of the pin for the marks.

Good work on the warning post I know this wouldn't be the way to re-align a removed dizzy, my timing just hasn't been adjusted in twenty years, so I wanted to get it done

Now the question is, if my marks have been rusted out over the years, how to I make a new set? Is there a way I can *specifically* pinpoint the spot where the mark *should* be?

Jon

BMS2004

courtesy of racing beat

BMS2004

as you can tell by the pic they are notched out on the inner lip of the pulley...only $30 if you can't ever find your marks. ...

the stock pulley only has 2 marks. One for leading and one for trailing. The engine rotates clockwise as i'm sure you know and the leading is the first of the 2 sets of marks. Hope this helps.

seanrot

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You can see the marks in the picture I posted, look behind the belts. I know its not close and I put white out in mine to make it easy to see. They are grooves. Try a wire brush and clean the edge of the pulley. Worst case goto a junk yard and pull off a pulley. Put the junk car in gear and get a really big breaker bar and a 19 mm socket. They only go on one way and I think the key is at the 9 o'cklock position. Read that somewhere. Hope that helps.

Jeff20B

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Here are a few pics. The pulley has advance marks every 5°/5mm but is at the normal leading mark. The rotor arrow is pointing rearward and so is the flat part of the shaft. All I'd have to do to get the flat part of the shaft or rotor arrow to point forward would be to rotate the E shaft 360°. It seems to me that the people who've complained about installing their dizzies with the shaft 180º out are full of beans. 90º out I could understand. Enjoy.

Jeff20B

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Here is the next set of pics. Here you can see the relative position of the reluctor and the pickups. Notice how close the reluctor tip is to the pickup? That's more or less perfect for setting static timing. It should fire up just fine and you can do a little fine tuning with a timing light if necessary (I've timed dizzies perfectly, according to a timing light, with this technique, hehe).

I also currently have access to what appears to be a Racing Beat aluminum pulley. It's got extra timing marks added by Pineapple Racing and I sorta angled it so you can see the key notch in the middle. Have fun.