drunkclever

I rebuild the carb, had porblems with floats. fixed that.. then the stupid air silonoid did want to work, problem with that was the ground was not making contact. fixed that by making a extension on the ground. For those that don't know, the carb for the '82 has a selinoid that reguires a ground. Then the gas was not coming out of the fuel lines, replaced filter. Another thing that happend, moonroof was leaking.

now that car stumbles. I thought I fixed it when I replaced the spark plug wires but after a few minutes it starts again. also when I "touch" the gas pedal it stumbles for a sec then shuts off. ftw! I don't know if its carb adjustments or igniton problems.

I spent a whole day working on the carb to find out it was a ground and floats that were the problems.. I don't want to look like a fool and spend another day adjust the carb. I am not sure if it even is the carb. Only reason I have that its the ignition system is that when I was on top of the car getting the carb out(that one bolt is a bitch with out the right tools) I broke the trailing spark plug wire with my foot.

sysptoms: at idel the car doesn't smoke. what it does do.. is that it sounds like a lawn mower. braaap raaap raap then a longer braaap. I would say pause, but there noise. The exhaust gas very hot to the touch.


ignition?
carb adjustments?

I got a MSD 6a, maybe that will cure it?

blwfly

iTrader: (4)

have you deflooed it?
one of the reasons runs like a lawnmower

Rx7carl

Well the off idle stumble/stall is an accelerator pump problem. Did you get both checkballs and check weights back in the proper place? You need to visually check that the AP is working. If it is squirting, then you may need to adjust the nylock nut that controls the timing of it thats on the actuating arm. It may not be actuating early enough. The AP should squirt as soon as the throttle opens to help in the transition from idle circuit to main circuit. Get that fixed and go on to your other problems from there.

drunkclever

checkballs..? never took them out same with the weights. All I did was change the gaskets. I guess I am going to ahve to take the carb back out and see if I can notice what your talking about. I am thinking its the ballbearings that came in the kit?? I hope I didn't toss them out :/

well see what I can do when I get out of school. I go to porter and chester, I am takeing a dumb residential, commertial, and industrial wiring class. freakthing $-22,000!!!

after I paid, and found my first internship.. I found out that any electrician can hire you and train you... I need to start doing research before I start something.

ohh something I forgot to mention its ideling @ 1000 RPMS.

Kentetsu

Hot exhaust gasses may be due to bad timing or loss of leading ignition...

blwfly

iTrader: (4)

so when you rebuilt you didnt take all needles out and clean with carb cleaner ild recomend it nxt time anything that unscrews needs a good soak also the main body too

drunkclever

ok I didn;t have time to remove the carb today. tomorrow its the thing I am going to work on while the bondo job that I am doing hardens. I am going to take the whole freaking thing apart and clean everything I can. Behind the AP is the location of the bearings that come in the rebuild kit?? how do I get them out..??

I did manage to switch the stock coils that acctually came with the car to accell super stock coils, idle is still crapy.

also going to try and finish installing the MSD ignition. wish me luck.

drunkclever

ok.. removed the carb, removed everything that I noticed could be removed. Dunked everything into carb/parts cleaner. waited 4 hrs. took everything out sprayed every hole with carb cleaner/starter, also used compressed air to clear and dry out everything. Used another carb kit.

The carb now works fine. I noticed that the water pump has sevear play in it.. will replace tomorrow.

The charge gauge is fluctuating, along with the idle.. F____!

The car is not holding a idel below 1000 rpms... could be do to the ignition problem above??

car sounds good then "farts" and repeats. I tryed to adjust the air mixture screw, but at all levels its the same. I replaced the coils with accel super stocks. I replaced the spark plug wires with the five finger discount accel, then I nocied something odd. The fusible link was not a fusible link! it was a plain black wire. I am going to switch those tomorrow to. I really could use some help as far as which way to takle the problem.

If anyone is avilable tomorrow around 1.pm eastern.. i'll pm you my phone number so you can hear the strange idle over the phone.

as allways, thanks for any information you can post.

drunkclever

bump.. for the night

(leaveing hand 6 inches from exhaust with stock engine and emmissions suppose to burn your hand after 30 sec.?)








i'm a post ***** in the making, but i really need the help, please don't hate)

drunkclever

Sammymatik

sounds like my car at the moment....

I'm pretty sure my is a carb issue though.... haven't cleaned/rebuilt the sob yet. maybe that will fix it for me.

drunkclever

freaking car will not start now WTF!.. what could have gone wrong??

this is what I did yesturday..

1. Removed pulley for air compressor
2. Loosened Air pump
3. Removed alternator
4. Removed water pump
5. Removed carburator
6. Adjusted a/p on carburator.. so that when you press it is squarts
7. Installed new water pump
8. installed carb, alternator, new belts, tighten Air Pump, replaced air compressor pulley.


Now the freaking car will not start. It turns over really good. I took the spark pulgs out and turned it over of get raid of any flooding that might have occurd. (loud compression strokes = good compression). replaced the spark plugs, tested ignitors, coils, spark plug wires, spark plugs, fuel is coming out of the hoses. EVERYTHING IS WORKING soo i checked the fusible links, there good. now wtf could it be?

When I adjusted the accelerator pump I backed out on the nut untill it was soo tight that I could not move it any more. backed as in tryed to take the nut off. I am going to try the other way and see where that leads me. I also set the air/fuel mixture at 2.5 turns.

When it turns over that overheat on the exhaust turns on, and the car trys to start. It sounds like it catches and then gives an indication that its going to turn on but then nothing.. it just keeps turning over. I don't see any problems as far as flooding goes. The fact that it turns over and wants to starts keeps me confused.

gmanuser

dude stop getting ahead of yourself first things first look at what rx-7 carl's comment from my experiance he is one of the carb legends on these forums, you sound like you dont know what the weights and ***** are i suggest you find out what they are and see if you really did forget to put them in or put them in rong or set them rong, and first things first check stupid stuff, are spark plugs old curroded (a good mechanic can tell you where your problem is most of the time in a situation like that if you just look at the plugs and do some diagnostic, second make sure your timing is right it is not very hard to do at all thier are many threads with pictures showing you how to and also the haynes manual tells you exactly how to do, i have done it so common i can get it perfect allighned in less than 3 minutes now (excluding timing light), check for other stupid stuff to like battery, gas, wires not being hooked up, hoses not being hooked up and or either of those not being hookkked up right can cause alot of problems, from what i have read everytime something doesnt work just right you just jump to conclusions and start terring apart stuff think and plan before you act is something i have learned the hard way, take my advice, look, think, investigate, think agian, plan, and stick to that plan if at all possible is what i have found to be very usefull.

drunkclever

yo, thanks for your reply and suggestions.
Apparently I do not know what the hell are weights and *****. Obviously, I would take the carb and reclean everything inside if I thought that was the problem. If the car was running before I switched the water pump.. then the car SHOULD run after I put it in. Obviously the adjustments that I made to the a/p I reversed. It doesn't sound like thats the problem anyway. The car wants to turn over and starts but just decides to "fake it" and keep with the regular rotation. Allmost like if its got a dead battery.
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I just wanted to know what could have gone wrong. I checked the wires, plugs, plug wires, ignitors, ignition moduals and found nothing out of wack. I don't have a timing gun, so I am off to try and find a solution for to check the timing w/o one.

drunkclever

yo, thanks for your reply and suggestions.
Apparently I do not know what the hell are weights and *****. Obviously, I would take the carb and reclean everything inside if I thought that was the problem. If the car was running before I switched the water pump.. then the car SHOULD run after I put it in. Obviously the adjustments that I made to the a/p I reversed. It doesn't sound like thats the problem anyway. The car wants to turn over and starts but just decides to "fake it" and keep with the regular rotation. Allmost like if its got a dead battery.

RX7 carl's advise, is what started the car in the first place. Thanks to him the car will hold an idle of 800 rpms.

I just wanted to know what could have gone wrong. I checked the wires, plugs, plug wires, ignitors, ignition moduals and found nothing out of wack. I don't have a timing gun, so I am off to try and find a solution for to check the timing w/o one.

Kentetsu

Sounds to me like your timing is too far retarded. Also, to adjust the AP just make sure that as soon as you touch the throttle the AP linkage starts to move. If your AP is squirting properly, then I don't think you have an issue with the weights/ball bearings.

I would do this; adjust the AP as described first since the car does not need to be running to do this. Then, mark the position of your dizzy so you know where you are now, then try turning it slightly one direction. If that doesn't work, try the other direction. Good luck.

drunkclever

aight man, thanks for the input. I just finished checking around for the weights and *****. I found them!.. Theres the bing one thats inbetween the small venturi holes and one above the a/p. I thought I didn;t have a problem with those. Apprently when you hold the carb upside down they fall out. Only thing is only one came out. The bigger one thats in the middle was MISSING! Good thing I have a extra 12A. Well that carb is going to be needing some parts. I wonder if sterling could use it.

ok, hopefully I will not have to shell out 40 buks for a cheap timing light. I got to save my money for some booth time, when I finish the body work.

I am going to make those adjustments now Kentetsu, i'll update later tonite.

You know anything about taking a 13B'se alt and using it in my '82 12A?

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drunkclever

The floats are there the A/P adjusted as told to, got spark, still not running.
I noticed lots of black specks all over the fuel bowls tomorrow I am going to empty the gas and fill it with fresh gas. And change the fuel filter. I am going to take the glass one and place it in the engine bay, then I am going to get a stock filter and use that before the bump. Then I am going to take the carb apart once more and make sure there are no little black specks. While I am at it I am going to flush the hoses.

good news : I just happend to have a s5 alt laying around, installed it with some help

gmanuser

sorry if sounded rude i dont know what they where either thats why i have never torn apart m carberatur cus i dont want to have to mess with that i didnt mean to sound rude but basically what i was trying to say was that sometimes its the stupid stuff that is your problem, also i know this sounds rather stupid but how old is your battery/ have you had it tested?also use some lucas oil carb cleaner stuff i think its liked supped up jet fuel it cleans out alot of crap in thier you just put in before you start it cost like 10 bucks it made my carb stop leaking glad i was of some help.

gmanuser

also email me abou the alternator from a second gen this guy named mario is a guiness with it he did it and i have all these files he sent me that have step by step procdures and pictures, my email is glenn_mesa@hotmail.com i found him on these post i think he is still around somewhere.