BLOWNandTWISTED

I really need the experts (12at guys) to step up and give me their blessing.

my friend just bought a 2003.5 mazdaspeed protege and it is a pretty fast car for what it is. he has about 170 hp w/ 180 lbs of torque stock. and now, he just put on an injen intake and hard ic pipes. probably @ 200+hp now



Now my question are:

1. by turboing my 12a from rotary shack, will i beat him?

2. " ", will i be smog legal

3. just give up the 12a and drop in a 13BT?

Keep in mind that i want to be smog legal.

DJAngelicon

I think 13BT would be a good way to go for HP and Smoke Legal. Just look at Steve Car I believe he is a 13BTII and smoke legal.

FB II

the 12a with a blow thru kit from rotary shack will WHOOP ALL OVER HIS ***!!! i rape these things all the time. they are not T3h fast. the 13bt would be the way to go if you seriously want to be smog legal, but that's alot more $$$. all in how much you want to spend.

smnc

Mazdaspeed Potoge's didn't come in blue...?
The '03.5s came in Blazing Yellow or Titanium Grey...
the '03s came in Spicy Orange

The Protoge MP3 came in Electric blue...

Plus the MS Protoge's don't have a badge there...

But that IS the correct Airdam for an '03.5

FBII is correct tho, they're not that fast. I whomped stock MS Protoge's with my GSL-SE with a ported motor and 2nd gen ignition upgrade.

I also doubt an intake and some IC pipes are good for 30hp... I'd guess aound 10-15hp... maybe 20hp TOPS.

The 12AT would be more than enough...

2cute

^^yeah im going to have to agree with this. that is not an MSP its probably an MP3

and out of the box if they have 170hp 180 torque my sentra would smoke them stock

Alex-7

They do.

2cute

how the hell is a MSP weaker out of the box than my sentra? uh nvmd i dont care w/e

mR.dnA

iTrader: (1)

You could keep a stock engine/exhaust around for smog check time (or if you get a fixit ticket)...

I'm actually considering doing this myself. Heck, I could start a 'smog check drivetrain rental' service or something

smnc

No, it has the MS 2003.5 Airdam/front end. MP3's had a completely different front end.
It's just the colour and badge that make it look off...

gerbraldy

How do you figure? Spev V's are quick, but they are not fast, you just think it's fast cause you have to shift more having that extra gear.

Alex-7

That's what I was saying on the other forum.


My buddy traded his spec for the speed and it feels slower.

You can get a nice spec V for 8.5k or a MSP for 15k what a tough dicision

gerbraldy

Or you can build an FB with 10k, make it do reliable low 12's and walk all over both cars in handling and power. Very tough decision........ fwd, rwd, fwd, rwd, slow,fast,slow,fast.............hmmmmmmmm...pretty tough.

patman

iTrader: (3)

How do I kill a Mazdaspeed Protege??


with a shotgun...

2cute

no i figured the MSP had more out of the box. the spec is rated at 175 hp 180 torque. but the spec is very limited on what you can do to make it faster. your friend will find that out and most likely get frustrated like the rest of us have. i love my car dont get me wrong but it is by no means the fastest thing out there. till third gear i is pretty badass after that it falls on its face HARD

smnc

LOL!
That's always been my choice.

I was explaining to my father in law that my GSL-SE is going to walk all over his wife's Mini Cooper S.

Hell, with the ported motor and 2nd gen ignition, I think I had the edge in a straight line(Those Mini's are SLOW).

He told me I'd never handle as well as the Mini, unless I spent a lot of money. I told him I could do it for $5k, and he wouldn't believe me.

Oh well, I'll just have to take him to the track next year...

gerbraldy

^dam straight

I got beat by this 18yr old that his parents bought him a mustang GT. He was saying rx7's are suppose to be fast, so then I said my vert cost $6500 with the swap and it looks alot better than a stang, I wonder how fast $20k in engine/ suspension mods would make it People just don't consider the prices of cars compared to what you can build for the same price + feel alot more "at one" with your car cause you built it.

smnc

Exactly!
You can have the exact car you want. Looks, power, handling, electronics... it's all in you hands!

Sorry to go so far off topic BLOWNandTWISTED...

aussiesmg

iTrader: (1)

FB with a good street port put down around 200hp, with your superior power to weight you'll eat his Protege alive and most other cars also. Beware of poor quality engine builders though.

BLOWNandTWISTED

so is that 200 without turbo?? and also smog legal??

if so, then is Mazdatrix reputable? i live about 20 minutes away from them.

RustyRotary

iTrader: (2)

The place I'm having my engine rebuilt and ported at regularly builds 12a streetports that do 13.5 1/4's on street tires. They also build them right. No 10-15 month motors here, definately not emissions friendly though. For that you'd want a turbo.

Alex-7

probably not, and defenatly not.


the ONLY way you'll stay legal is with a t2 swap.

BLOWNandTWISTED

alright guys, thank you so much. i guess ill just do the full 13bt swap.

yeah, i really need to have a smog legal car.

and if you guys dont mind asking,


how much power will i get from the 13bt with fmic, rb exhaust system, ic pipes, intake??

and will it be smog legal??

thanks against guys.

RotaryRocket85

fmic, rb exhaust system, ic pipes, intake??

and will it be smog legal??


the intanke will need a CARB sticker on it , i dont think the ic pipes or a fmic will fial you when it comes time.. the exhaust will need the cats left on it

BLOWNandTWISTED

alrighty then. 13bt, here i come...............


..................."not right now, right now, but later, later." (george lopez)





thanks again guys.

BinaryRotary

I own an '03 Black Mica MSP, an FC Vert and an '85 GS. Good ******* luck. MBC set at 15psi, hard pipes, SMIC and turbo back exhuast I'm pushing 213 HP and 231 lbs torque AT THE WHEELS. No torque steer, FWD with LSD rox@rz.

And who's the joker that said an SE-R would **** on an MSP? You're ******* kidding right? The have less HP less TQ at the wheels tock, worse skid pad ratings AND A ******* SOLID REAR AXLE OUT OF A 1987 DODGE CARAVAN. Get a life.

BTW, they did come in blue in 03.5. They had blue, yellow and silver. 03 Had orange and black.