red13brx7

Well I have had this stuff sitting at my house for about seriously 8 months.

87 turbo and manifold
all connections for a drawthrough set up with my holley 600.
Holley red fuel pump, because I hate my carter, second one I have gone through.
Check my sig if you have never seen my car, I haven't posted here in a while due to working on the other car, painting really doesn't require to much technical info. BUt its great to be back.
Just wanted to share, can't wait to start this project. Don't flame, but I have been working on my daily driver..

Its a 93 civic, but I turboed and did a 5spd swap in it. Together they costed $1000.

I also painted my car this summer, can't wait to post some pics. I have been at college and don't have my camera, but here are some pics of the civic.

red13brx7

no one has any input on a drawthrough setup? Not using a rayjay setup, this is completley custom.

REVHED

If it's gonna be custom I have to ask why? Blow-through would be a lot easier and work better. You know the Holley Red is useless for the turbo setup don't you?

red13brx7

No actually its not. The holley red is not worthless for a turbo app. because of it being draw through. Everyone does a blow through, I don't like being like everone else. It has to be completely custom, since I am not using the ray jay kit.

rotary emotions

everybody is doing a blow through, because it's a better choice!
seriously, a draw-through will never make the same power as a simular blow through would make. If you go through all the costs and efforts of building a custom turbo setup, you really want to make it right, don't you?
With a draw-through you can't have an IC, no BOV,... resulting in lower boost (at least if want to keep it safe) and thus power.

red13brx7

Again not true, when you do water/alcohol injection it is almost if not better than an intercooler. The drawthrough is much easier to make, I can do all the carb work myself and its nothing new to do things different. Take a look at my civic. It cost $400 to turbo that thing with all the right parts doing it right, I have all the right parts to do a nice drawthrough setup. I should really get some pics of the stuff i have, its pretty cool. I go home friday, I will post pics of the car and the parts.

red13brx7

Just so I don't turn this into a blowtrhough against drawthrough thread, I already know the advantages of both so don't really bother. I just want some input if anyone has any on a drawthrough, i know I saw one that was really well done, but with a ray jay kit, but was then converted to fuel injection. This car will only be my get out once a month car, I can only drive ie 2000 miles, because it is a classic, so emmisions isn't an issue too :-)

XLR8

iTrader: (52)

Water injection is not equal to an intercooler. Water injection prevents detonation. An intercooler cools the intake charge producing more dense air, thus more power. Good luck, try www.mazspeed.com, they may have some info on draw-through setups.

red13brx7

Water injection steals heat from the air, meaning that you can run more boost without an intercooler. Can't wait to start this thing, man. Still have to get two eclipses out of my garage first, doing some motor swap for a couple turbo GSXs. It is getting bad, I think my dad and I are going to open up a garage soon.

FB II

that one guy with a rayjay kit is in the process of switching to blow thru.

red13brx7

Yea i know, I am not in it for the power at the moment, if I was it would be fuel injected. I want to do something different, I have seen many VW bugs run a drawthrough setup and it has me hooked on doing it like that. I will let you know how it turns out.

Junia

I think I can see how a drawthrough would be a quick way to get decent power without having to spend too much money and time and still have pretty decent power. How much power do you think you'll have with the drawthrough setup? What kind or porting are you gonna have on the engine. I'm just guessing (basically pulling numbers out of my ***) but if you can pull about 150 - 180 by just by porting the intake and exhaust without bridging, I'm thinking you might be running about 225 or so with the setup.

How much will all the parts cost in the end.

red13brx7

I already have all the parts, all I needed was the turbo and the manifold. I also got another manifold for the carb to sit on and I am using a custom racing beat manifold for the out of turbo into motor mani. IT all costed under $300 so far, not including the racing beat carb and manifold. that motor is an 86 6-port and it runs pretty strong as it sits. I like to tinker with things, so I might as well turbo this while I am at it, every thing in my drive way is turboed these days. The RX7 feels left out. I seriously don't expect more than 225 or so to the wheels, but we will see. It will all be in the tuning and how much i feel like pushing it.

thricerx7

im trying hard not to flame the rice car, i mean civic. i mean it has pistons, its a honda, and a terrible color. if there's a fart can on back then i think i am done talking...




NO WAIT ONE MORE THING: YOU TAKIN' THAT THING TO RACE WARS? GOT NOS? POWERED BY CIVIC? OKAY, OKAY I'M DONE.

nice 7 though. i can understand why "the civ" is the daily driver.

red13brx7

I bought the civic so I couldn't drive the 7 up and back between college. Serisouly if you think all cars but RX7s are rice you are ignorant. I mean, I only had the car for 2 months, I didn't want it to be like everyone elses stupid civic, what I am supposed to do paint the thing? I don't want to spend that much money on it. You would be suprised how much you can do to these cars, not as fun as the 7, but it is a piece of cake, and they react well to everything you do to them. A fart can on the back? If an Apexi Dunk series is a fart can, then yea it has one. Then so do 3rd gen RX7s, man, why flame when you don't know the facts. My brother sold me the car for only $3,000, and it is in perfect shape. I don't have any pics of the outside, but the car had been backed into, and had a primered white hood. So I painted that black, just like on my RX7, because I didn't want to repaint the car. It has suspension Technique springs and 16" Niche shocks, or how ever you speel it. NO WING, NEONS, GAY STEREO OR NOTHING. Turboed, Lowered, with nice wheels. Where is the rice in that. End of story.

thricerx7

haha wow so offensive. i say things, and i'm just kidding. but the money you spent towards the civic you could have put into the 7, maybe found a cheaper car to drive as your daily driver. i don't understand the term "daily driver" if you are turbo'ing it, swapping it, and pretty much making it a project car. i didnt say you had to paint the car, that honda teal color is butt ugly and equally as ugly as my mom's old ford escort color. im just saying if its a daily driver, aren't you supposd to be saving your money for your real project car? just a thought... i DO know the facts, i know 3rd gens have them, but they have the sound that can pull it off, the sweet rotary music, hondas just sound like farting going down the street IMO...i hear them often, i should know...

ROUND 2 FIGHT

red13brx7

I didn't want auto and felt like turboing it because I had all the parts just because I could. Isn't it nice to be able to have two nice cars to play around with and have both be reliable. Then what makes an Apexi sound any less sweet than a rotary with it on? This doesn't sound like your average civic. It is really quite, even N/A it was quiet.

setzep

Hey, if you can get away with turboing your daily driver more power to you, don't listen to the others. I'm always tempted to do a daily driven turbo 4cyl toyota 4x4 PU from the early 90's just so I can have my cake and eat it to, power and mileage.
But on the other hand I do have to agree with all the others when they say a blow through is better than a drawthrough. But just because it's better doesn't mean it's the only way to do it. Hell FI is better than a blow through, don't see me hopping on every blow through thread and telling them to FI their turbo project.

thricerx7

hm, i thought this thread was dead already. i guess not. the rotary sound is more distinct is all. that's why i can't wait to straight pipe my car with the headers i'm getting to hear it. if it's too loud i'll invest in a resonator, or presilencer, but still the rotary music will flow.

lovintha7

That civic is rice because it's turbo, and won't go any faster than a 15.50 in the 1/4. I used to stomp those guys with a stock 12a.

red13brx7

haha, you guys are all crazy, 15.50 turboed civic? I don't think you could beat a turboed civic with your 12a. I had a 12a for three years, and there is no way in the world. Don't think so, I am shooting for low 14s maybe 13s with slicks. Its got all the right stuff to take it there. I am hoping for 13s with the Rx7. I really want to try drawthrough, just because I can do all the work to the carb myself. Blow through gets a little harder, and I am not sure I want to go down that road just yet.