BigJim

Well i went to work on the car again. I used the ohm meter and found out no matter wich terminal on the trailing coil and wich plug on the ignitor plug i had connectino. So theres a break in the wires somewhere and they are touching. I reran some wires, but my battery died and its now charging. I ran 2 wires from the coil directly to the ignitor is that right, also anythign else taht needs to be hooked up?

BigJim

God damnit this is pissing me off. Im seroiusly thinking about sellign the bitch because i think it now has a major engine issue. Pulled the plugs again today to put in my new ones and there was fuel on them, there was also a moderate amount of oil. I clean the old ones, put them in, turn it over, take them out. Covered in oil again. Why the hell is there so much oil in my engine. If soemthigns fucked imma be pissed, and hopefully i can get it fixed/replaced by Atkins. God this is pissing me off. I have spark now, but still no start. Any ideas. Nothign has changed since it last ran except for running new wires to my coil

Felgar

Even engines with hardly any compression will start and idle, I've found.... So I don't think that's your problem.

If you have spark but it won't start then you have no fuel, or absolutely horrible timing. When my fuel pump died my carb still smelled like fuel somewhat so I intially mis-diagnosed the lack of fuel. After a while of cranking, if it doesn't smell totally flooded then I think that fuel is probably your issue. Also triple-check your firing order and double-check your timing. The oil is probably just from the oil injection into the engine - it's the last thing that I'd worry about.

Rotor13B

Dude, You answered your own question. If the plugs are wet with fuel and oil and you have no start, It's more than likely your plugs are fouled. Put in the new plugs and I almost guarantee that it will fire up.

Pele

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Check the condition of the plugs... Funny thing... ALL my Haynes manuals (And I have a lot of them...) Have a full color spark plug guide in the back cover to diagnose conditions of spark plugs... EXCEPT the RX-7 manuals (Both the 1st and 2nd gen books.)

I personally think you're flooded and possibly have fouled plugs.

mar3

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Bigjim, try dousing the air filter with some Gumout Carb cleaner, no substitutes, let it sit with the lid on for twenty seconds or so, then spin that puppy with a freshly charged battery and jumper cables attached to an adjacent car. If that doesn't start it, you're in DEEP trouble. Of course, if you're running something other than the Nikki, adapt the game plan as needed.

From what I understand, the Haynes manual doesn't have color charts for rotary spark plugs because they can't be "read" in the same manner as a 4-cycle combustion engine...prolly due to the fact that they're "on" virtually all the time...

Pele

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Nah... I think it's because of the 4 electrode plugs... I read the plugs just the same as any boinger.

DBOGGSRX7

You are almost definitely flooded. You have been cranking over an engine for a while with no spark. All the fuel going into the motor when it wasn't starting is still there. Take out your spark plugs, disconnect your coils and crank the motor over a couple of times. Clean your spark plugs really well, reinstall. reconnect coils and start without using choke.

islandrx

Is this a 12a or 13b????

Kentetsu

Hey Jim, sorry to hear of your ordeal. Have you done the ghetto compression test yet (pull trailing plugs and turn motor over, then listen for an off-beat hiss)? Other than that, I'd pour an ounce of MMO down her, spray some WD-40 in as a chaser and give her another shot (once the batt is charged again, of course). Good luck man, hopefully your just flooded.

BigJim

Yea i put new plugs in(wanted to wait because they are the classic br9eq's but i threw them in) and it still wouldnt start. This is a 13b fuel injected still. I tried my normal unflooding techinique(puilled the blue blade connector and i got nothing. Imma get some help and test my timing(does the car ahve to be started to do that?)Hopefully its just really flooded but how to unflood it? Thanks for everyones help.

Pele

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Yes, it has to be running to check timing. You can get it close by just setting the distributor in the middle. (It's got a slotted hole and bolt so that you can move it...)

Unflooding proceedure:

You NEED a WELL CHARGED BATTERY for this proceedure. Charge it overnight before attempting.

1.) Disconnect fuel pump (Connector is under driver's side storage bin. It's a two pin connector.)

2.) Remove plugs

3.) Crank engine for a little while (Maybe 15-30 sec.) Observe as plumes of gasoline vapors come out of the spark plug holes. Now is NOT the time for a cigarette.

4.) REMOVE KEY FROM IGNITION.

5.) Use a small turkey baster (US$1.99 at Wal*Mart) to put a couple ounces of oil or preferably MMO into the LOWER spark plug holes.

6.) Turn the engine over ONE complete revolution by pulling on the belts. It should turn easily. (I believe the engine should be turned clockwise as looking at the crank pulley from the front.) Repeat step 5. Loop this instruction twice, then go on. (You should put 3 squirts of oil total in each lower plug hole for each side of each rotor.)

7.) Put some spark plugs in. They don't have to be new, but ones that the car will run on. You may want to replace them after this proceedure, as the burning oil may foul them a bit... Be sure plug wire orientation is correct.

8.) Crank engine for a little bit to slosh the oil around.

9.) Recnnect the fuel pump.

10.) If the car is inside, push it outside. It WILL smoke like a bitch. Crank the engine till it starts.

11.) Wait till it warms up. Test drive it in your neighborhood. If all seems good, then drive it likeyou stole it to burn off all the oil. After that. Recheck the plugs. Clean off carbon deposits or replace them.

BigJim

quyick question about disconnecting the fuel pump. Can i just unplug the blue blade connector on the coil. Im 99% sure that cuts the fuel injection

BigJim

Sweet, she runs. Went adn tried it, nothing. Pulled plugs they were oily. Turned over to get rid of oil/gas. Replaced plugs turned over, they were dry once i removed them again. HMM fusible links. Pulled them, tested they are all good. Put them bvack in and wammo she runs. I hate fusible links