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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 06:52 PM
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F1 Bark

I figured out what exhaust note I want. The F1 fans are familiar with that barking exhasut note when the drivers peddle the motor,

And ideas how to fake that sound with a 12a?
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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 07:05 PM
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Yes, glue 2 of them together. You're not oging to get a 12a to sound like a F1 car. You need at least 3 rotors to come close to that sound.
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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by phalerider
I figured out what exhaust note I want. The F1 fans are familiar with that barking exhasut note when the drivers peddle the motor,

And ideas how to fake that sound with a 12a?
can't be done. F1 cars run with almost no rotational intertia. I saw an interview saying that a F1 motor can go from 19,000rpm to zero in .2 seconds. There is no way to get a 12a down to that kind of rotational intertia, so you can't get the exhaust bark.

I forgot to mention that since the exhaust pulses are 180* offset, so they tend to cancel eachother out. You need an unreal 4 rotor to come close to a F1 sound.
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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 07:34 PM
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Scoot was able to come sort of close.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lWZa...eature=related

Basically, like Hyper says, you need at least three rotors and a light rotating assembly.

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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 07:41 PM
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I almost can 1-up you on your scoot video, but i cannot find the link. It was the Scoot in action on track.

Someone said 3-rotors will be close as you get, i think 4 rotors is the only real way to come close.

and id say the rotational inertia in f1 cars is not as responsible for the exhaust bark/note but more so the fact that they are shifting at 19500 rpm and hitting the next gear at what....16500 rpm in hundredths of a second? Id say that has ALOT to do with it.

So get your 12A up to that rpm and let us know what it sounds like

I personally like the exhaust note and shift bark of the 787b
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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 07:56 PM
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The infamous 4 rotor

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=RJnyJyBxzCE
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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 08:03 PM
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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 08:17 PM
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yea...id say thats f1-ish
lol
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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 08:38 PM
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The FOURRE car has probably my favorite 4 rotor sound out of all the ones I've heard.
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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 09:55 PM
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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 11:25 AM
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Nothing inspires me more than the word "NO" or "You can't".

I've seen a guy fit a soup can in his rectum.

So I know that anything is possible. BTW it was at work and I didn't pay to see it.

But thank for all the nay say anyway.
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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 12:33 PM
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I've seen a guy fit a soup can in his rectum.
Please to be crossing me off your xmas party list. KTHXBYE.
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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 01:35 PM
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More of a pissed off woof than a bark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x4El8z8Jkc
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Originally Posted by djessence
I almost can 1-up you on your scoot video, but i cannot find the link. It was the Scoot in action on track.

Someone said 3-rotors will be close as you get, i think 4 rotors is the only real way to come close.

and id say the rotational inertia in f1 cars is not as responsible for the exhaust bark/note but more so the fact that they are shifting at 19500 rpm and hitting the next gear at what....16500 rpm in hundredths of a second? Id say that has ALOT to do with it.

So get your 12A up to that rpm and let us know what it sounds like

I personally like the exhaust note and shift bark of the 787b
I have always attributed the F1 "bark" to the engine's ability to change rpm's over extremely short intervals. It's the same way that a dog barks, high speed air moving through a restricted area, making a bark sound. It sounds like a person with a bad cough with the "bark" cough. Without being able to expel air at a high enough velocity, a "bark" is not possible. Without a superlight rotating assembly able to accelerate very very quickly through the rpm range, thus accelerating a large volume of air through a constricting area in a short time interval, a "bark" cannot be achieved.

Also, to the OP that says that he saw a person put a soup can in their rectum at work. WTF was this person thinking, and WHY did they do it at work? That's gross...
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That's more of a wail than a bark. I agree that this sounds similar to a F1 car under load at WOT, but this is the bark that he's referring to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSHToyGIxWE

when they start revving at :44, you start to hear the "bark"
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That's more of a wail than a bark. I agree that this sounds similar to a F1 car under load at WOT, but this is the bark that he's referring to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSHToyGIxWE

when they start revving at :44, you start to hear the "bark"
Haha, I lol'd when everyone starts to cover their ears, then Joe Cool comes buy and just puts his hand on the car.
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Originally Posted by phalerider
Nothing inspires me more than the word "NO" or "You can't".

I've seen a guy fit a soup can in his rectum.

So I know that anything is possible. BTW it was at work and I didn't pay to see it.

But thank for all the nay say anyway.
So go for it. Shave off rotational inertia wherever you can. Use an ultra light flywheel, lightened '83-85 rotors, lightweight pulleys, electric fan, peripheral ports, a short runner manifold, preferably EFI, and a well-designed exhaust system.
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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 07:33 PM
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okay so you caaan do it with a 12A but you'll need to build a perry port engine. then pay rb 2000 to lighten your rotors and balance your assembly. then get really short runners and ITB's and efi. another 2 grand. then a 3lb flywheel. then a 5.25" clutch' another 1500 put it all together and you might get a decent bark. but you won't be able to drive it on the street because it will only want to live above 5k rpm.
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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 07:46 PM
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Put a F1 sound clip in a CD or Ipod. Buy a mp3 playing deck and some big speakers.
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Originally Posted by Hyper4mance2k
My country,' tis of thee,
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Early christmas present
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Put a F1 sound clip in a CD or Ipod. Buy a mp3 playing deck and some big speakers.
Cheapest and effective.
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everyone 4 got the mazda furai..

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no that's why I said you need at least 3 rotors... FYI That car has a methanol 20B in it.
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