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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 07:03 PM
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The engine of my 85 rx7 is busted.....that means time for a new engine yippeeeee!!!
I wanted to know which engine is able to FIT and best performance for my car. I'd like to have my car running for a much longer time so I've decided I would install my car with a new engine, but not fixed up. I wanted to know what engine would be best for the rx7, an engine from a 94 rx7 or maybe 92? I don't know much about cars, so I NEED HELP!!!!! any information would be most helpful
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 07:42 PM
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hmmm... man I wish I can give you some advice but I heard the TII Engines are nice. Beside that not sure what would be best engine for you. I guess it all come down to a personal pref. However there are good experts in here that would help you better. I am still trying to figure out what would be a very good engine for me too and upgrade. Looking for 200HP or 300HP most I guess I will have to search around for info.

Good luck on your decition.
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 08:08 PM
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do you want to go turbo or NA?
is the car gona be a daily driver or track car?
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 08:12 PM
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I would suggest a 4-port 13B. Parts are plentiful, usually less $$$ too. Easy to work on/rebuild. Street port the 4-port and a decent carb/exhaust setup you would be at 200-225 HP at the flywheel. The thing would last forever, as long as you maintain it, the same goes for anything though!
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 08:14 PM
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20B with a T78 and stand alone.
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 10:18 PM
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do you want to go turbo or NA?
is the car gona be a daily driver or track car?
i mainly want to keep the engine as is cuz i'm kinda on a tight budget and mainly used for everyday use
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 10:22 PM
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S5 13B with a sidedraft carb.
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 10:30 PM
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Since you don't know much about cars and want something that will last, it's hard to beat a 12a for simplicity and longevity. They are a little short on power when compared to the REW's, but you pay for that extra power with higher purchase price, higher parts price, and higher maintinence. It is also not an easy swap.

You didn't say what engine you have in the car now, but both the 12a and 13b can be built for more performance and hp.
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by blown 83
I would suggest a 4-port 13B. Parts are plentiful, usually less $$$ too. Easy to work on/rebuild. Street port the 4-port and a decent carb/exhaust setup you would be at 200-225 HP at the flywheel. The thing would last forever, as long as you maintain it, the same goes for anything though!
My SP 13B 4 port just went after 10 years and 120,000ish miles. Pretty damn reliable. Daily driven with about 215flywheel horsepower. I would definately recommend this is you want an N/A motor. If you want stock turbo'd rotaries, the TII would be easier, but the 13B-REW from the FD would be very cool.
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 10:50 PM
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I really like my "street-ported" 12A.

225 rwhp,
idles at 400 RPM with a Weber 48 IDA... Pulls with power beyond 9K.

would make an awesome daily driver if it could get better fuel economy.

If you want to go the 4-port 13B route...

I have an old 4-port crate engine. it has been used maybe 8K with a proper break-in. this is the engine that would have came in the 74-75 Repu and RX-4. (big exhaust port).

I have it available for $1000 plus shipping. I have a Weber 45DCOE set-up jetted and ready to go.... and an RB Header to help complete the swap... if interested, send me a PM.
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 10:55 PM
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12A all the way, stock or modified, you can't go wrong.
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 10:59 PM
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I really like my "street-ported" 12A.

225 rwhp,
idles at 400 RPM with a Weber 48 IDA... Pulls with power beyond 9K.

would make an awesome daily driver if it could get better fuel economy.

If you want to go the 4-port 13B route...

I have an old 4-port crate engine. it has been used maybe 8K with a proper break-in. this is the engine that would have came in the 74-75 Repu and RX-4. (big exhaust port).

I have it available for $1000 plus shipping. I have a Weber 45DCOE set-up jetted and ready to go.... and an RB Header to help complete the swap... if interested, send me a PM.
225rwhp from an NA 12A with a "street port"? Got a dyno sheet? I also find it hard to believe that a ported motor would idle smoothly at 400RPM, considering a stock port doesn't even idle that low.

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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by clean85owner
225rwhp from an NA 12A with a "street port"? Got a dyno sheet? I also find it hard to believe that a ported motor would idle smoothly at 400RPM, considering a stock port doesn't even idle that low.

stop trying to be an E-thug. Instead of accusing him of lying, why don't you ask how he got those results?

And while you're at it, why don't you ask him about the TII engine he built for a guy named Mike in Indy that idles at 150 RPM...
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 11:49 PM
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If are not an experienced gearhead, you should be looking for reliability. the advice of staying with a 4 port is good advice, either 12a or 13b. You would have to modify the front motor mount for a 13b because it is a bit longer. I took a 12a, street ported the secondary intake ports(using the RB template), cleaned up the primaries and the exhaust. I made an adapter for the manifold and installed a stock RX-4 carb, RB exhaust header. It makes 130Hp to the rear wheels, which is all you need for a fun daily driver. A completely stock 4 port 13b with the same exhaust will give similar performance.

Don't let people talk you into an aftermarket intake system and carb, Webers, Holley or whatever unless you are looking for a new hobby. The stock carbs run well hot or cold and will avoid a lot of hassles for you. And you definitely don't need a turbo.

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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by clean85owner
225rwhp from an NA 12A with a "street port"? Got a dyno sheet? I also find it hard to believe that a ported motor would idle smoothly at 400RPM, considering a stock port doesn't even idle that low.
I too find this a bit ambitious.
All "clean85owner" is asking is for a dyno! Fair enough. Too many unsubstantiated claims on these forums.
I too would like to see a dyno as if this is so it must be the highest HP NA streetport there is bar none.

Oh, and "Another Driver" I would build a nice 12a Streetport.

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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 01:18 AM
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stop trying to be an E-thug. Instead of accusing him of lying, why don't you ask how he got those results?

And while you're at it, why don't you ask him about the TII engine he built for a guy named Mike in Indy that idles at 150 RPM...
Calm down there, dude. I'm just asking a question. I have never heard of a rotary idling smoothly at such a low rpm, much less a motor with extensive porting.

Just because I find something hard to believe does not mean that I am trying to be an "e-thug" and "accuse him of lying."

God damn. You would have an aneurism if you went into the Kills section, man. People call BS there all the time; are you going to go in there and call all of them e-thugs, too?
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 01:27 AM
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i'd have to go with a streetport 12A, myself. it will give you all the benefits of a stockport, but with increased power and (if you get it built right) increased reliability. it's simply and won't break the bank, compared to a 13B, 13BT or 13BREW swap.
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by clean85owner
Just because I find something hard to believe does not mean that I am trying to be an "e-thug" and "accuse him of lying."
mine idles great at 500 RPM ... stockport 13B with Dell'Orto. when i'm done with my streetport buildup, then i'm planning to accomplish the same idle.

however, the "E-thug" comment was the best i've read all night.
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 02:03 AM
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Since you don't know much about cars and want something that will last, it's hard to beat a 12a for simplicity and longevity. They are a little short on power when compared to the REW's, but you pay for that extra power with higher purchase price, higher parts price, and higher maintinence. It is also not an easy swap.

You didn't say what engine you have in the car now, but both the 12a and 13b can be built for more performance and hp.
My car looks almost like the one in my avater, same color and everything , except it has a full body kit: front bumper, rear bumper, side skirts, and the spoiler. but everything in the car is almost just the way my mom bought it back in 85. So it's ALL SHOW, but NO GO. I forgot to mention that my car was a GS. sorry about that. My dad told me that the engine in there right now is the 11b. He also told me that anything higher wasn't gonna fit.
Is this true? and if it is, what kind of engine am I supposed to put in it now? I looked up some sites for rotary engines and didn't find any engines that were 11b. I think I'm in desperate need of help!!!!!! otherwise i guess i'll just get another engine like the one i have in now and try to get other ways to make my car run faster. what a drag. any advice is greatly appreciated!!!!!
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 02:39 AM
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There is no 11B ... it's a 12A (or 12B at the most, but we won't get into that )

You can put a 13B in it fairly easily, but it's not as easy as streetporting your 12A and putting it back in.
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 03:43 AM
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Since you don't know what engine you have, and apparently neither does you dad, pop the hood and start looking. Get a Haynes, or the FSM online, and start learning about your car. If you don't, it can get expensive quick. Especially if you go to a shop and tell them you want your 11b rebuilt. P. T. Barnum would love to see you walk into his shop.
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by trochoid
Since you don't know what engine you have, and apparently neither does you dad, pop the hood and start looking. Get a Haynes, or the FSM online, and start learning about your car. If you don't, it can get expensive quick. Especially if you go to a shop and tell them you want your 11b rebuilt. P. T. Barnum would love to see you walk into his shop.
Another good method is to look at the tops of the (rotor?) housings, and look for a cast "12A" or "13B". All show-no go and Occam's Razor implies it's a 12A. Assuming your dad is half-right, and someone swapped in a 13B at some point, he's technically correct as far as an easy engine swap. The usual path is to go turbo with a 13B to get substantially more power. There are probably some 20B (3-rotors) in FBs (nickname for '81-85 RX-7s, based on VIN), but I seriously doubt it's as bolt-in as a 13B turbo. V8 swaps are common as well, but you'd need to go outside this forum for help on that--unless you have rhinohide for skin.

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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Dayna
stop trying to be an E-thug. Instead of accusing him of lying, why don't you ask how he got those results?

And while you're at it, why don't you ask him about the TII engine he built for a guy named Mike in Indy that idles at 150 RPM...
Calm down there, tigress. SS's numbers are pretty eye-popping for a 12A and a dyno sheet is generally called for with unusual numbers like that. Being skeptical and calling someone a liar are two very different things and clean85 was pretty non-aggressive about it.
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 05:50 AM
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Directfreak, what are S5 13B or S4 etc...? I mean what dose that mean? lol sorry I am still learning about this stuff.
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 07:03 AM
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Directfreak, what are S5 13B or S4 etc...? I mean what dose that mean? lol sorry I am still learning about this stuff.
S5 means series 5 [the model/year of the car], 13B is an engine.
Coz your new to the motor industry stick to a mild port 13B for now.
Once you got the hang of things you go fuely/turbo or whatever turns you on honey
There's also a good chance some fukin monkey is gonna rip you off once he puts 2 and 2 together. Either whip that bitches *** into place or get someone from this msg board to get some decent quotes for you.

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