Dyno numbers, post em up!!!
Originally Posted by TeamTsunami
Hayes racing 13b w/ dual weber. 242rwhp at 6800. But I have run this engine over 10,000 rpm and it stays strong all the way up.
And this is the dual weber DCD's from R.E.? What size chokes?
Originally Posted by 12at
I dont think 2 injectors is enough. Yes the stock 12aT's are injected but they had 2 x 800cc injectors and they are maxed out at about 160rwhp. Also the standard throttle body has tiny little butterflies, that is why I upgraded to the 13b stuff.
The 12aT block has better chrome on the housings apparently, (like a 12a 6 port they have a H on the top of the housings instead of that little block), lower comp rotors. (8.5 compared to the normal 9.4) Also a high volume oil pump, injector holes in the centre plate, a tapped hole in the front plate for the turbo oil feed and an oil return on the front cover. Oh and a 4 line oil metering pump instead of the normal 2 line. Thats about all I can think of of the top of my head.
The 12aT block has better chrome on the housings apparently, (like a 12a 6 port they have a H on the top of the housings instead of that little block), lower comp rotors. (8.5 compared to the normal 9.4) Also a high volume oil pump, injector holes in the centre plate, a tapped hole in the front plate for the turbo oil feed and an oil return on the front cover. Oh and a 4 line oil metering pump instead of the normal 2 line. Thats about all I can think of of the top of my head.
The later 12AT came with 2x880cc [green] injectors. No intercooler and 6.2psi limited the output. With a large intercooler and 12psi, but retaining stock ports and turbo, you can achieve 225rwhp. Earlier versions came with the 800cc blue injector so the engine leans out lower.
As 12aT said, you need a four injector set-up for serious power. My wife's car with a target 300-320rwhp will use 2x800cc and 2x550cc. It is difficult to still get the 880cc injector.
If you use too large injectors, the engine is difficult to tune for idle and cruise. 12aT's setup of 4800cc total is a good set-up for a 575-600rwhp car.
Last edited by PaulFitzwarryne; Jul 19, 2006 at 12:20 AM.
Originally Posted by PaulFitzwarryne
As 12aT said, you need a four injector set-up for serious power. My wife's car with a target 300-320rwhp will use 2x800cc and 2x550cc. It is difficult to still get the 880cc injector.
If you use too large injectors, the engine is difficult to tune for idle and cruise. 12aT's setup of 4800cc total is a good set-up for a 575-600rwhp car.
If you use too large injectors, the engine is difficult to tune for idle and cruise. 12aT's setup of 4800cc total is a good set-up for a 575-600rwhp car.
The outcome is great 496rwhp, 10.21 seconds with 137mph terminal speed. My only surprise looking at his thumbnail dyno chart is max hp is at 7,200rpm. I thought a bridgeport would achieve max power at a higher rpm. The powercurve above 7,200 looks a little unusual, perhaps tuned that way to get an effective powercurve matched with a 1/4 mile gearchange pattern.
Congratulations. You have clearly showed a Gen 1 does not need a 13BT to get performance !
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