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Old Jun 10, 2006 | 08:37 AM
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Old Jun 10, 2006 | 08:46 AM
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and i know that he probably isnt near some it was just that he beat directfreak by a couple of ponies

oh and for the recordbooks, i want to see the video after this dyno session!
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Oh, before I forget, - yes, I AM going for 600+ RWHP in my FB, in the near future. I already got a new RE engine, turbo, and custom intake ready for it.
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Old Jun 10, 2006 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Tranquil
Well JSC (something?) header and exhaust will net you the best power gains, period.

With them and a very nice carb and ignition on a street ported motor you can easily see 200+ rear wheel horsepower. Normally it would be flywheel, but that exhaust really pulls out the ponies you don't even know existed. (and that's all bullshit I've heard from reviews, I dunno, I went with rotary engineering for my exhaust)
what is the JSC exhaust? And why do you say it has the best power gains I heard the full RB exhaust was one of the best if not the best for streetablity and power. Anyone else care to chime in? Just wondering

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Old Jun 10, 2006 | 10:56 AM
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'85 12A
Bridgeported primaries
Streetported secondaries
Weber 48 IDA
Racing beat intake
Racing beat road race header
Carter 4-6 lbs fuel pump
Stock 1-3/4" exhaust pipe ( no time to change it to 2-1/2" )
Stock ignition
running 12.5 A/F
Tuned by me with an innovative AFM

133 rwhp
97 ft/lbs







Next on the list is to go full bridgeport on my new irons, full 2-1/2" exhaust, e-fan, front mount oil cooler. On the next engine i hoping for close to 200 rwhp

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Old Jun 10, 2006 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by blown7
'85 12A
Bridgeported primaries
Streetported secondaries
Weber 48 IDA
Racing beat road race header
Stock 1-3/4" exhaust pipe ( no time to change it to 2-1/2" )
Stock ignition
running 12.5 A/F

133 rwhp
97 ft/lbs

Next on the list is to go full bridgeport on my new irons, full 2-1/2" exhaust, e-fan, front mount oil cooler. On the next engine i hoping for close to 200 rwhp
not to say anything bad about your setup... but why such a low number, reading through your list i was thinking i was gonna see 150-175 or more rwhp... maybe im just expecting too much with a 12a build

* didnt see the stock exhaust and ignition, maybe change that and probably pull another 10hp out of it, if not more maybe
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Old Jun 10, 2006 | 11:08 AM
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I think he means to say SDJ headers ... they're the best headers made ... I would know since I have one they're pricey though ... they're all custom hand built to your specs in stainless steel.

You can find a picture of them here:

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...&highlight=sdj

Originally Posted by BridgePorted12A
what is the JSC exhaust? And why do you say it has the best power gains I heard the full RB exhaust was one of the best if not the best for streetablity and power. Anyone else care to chime in? Just wondering

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Old Jun 10, 2006 | 11:08 AM
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aklso what are some of you turbo 12a guys running for fuel setup? (12at, directfreak) as 1 of my few options for build, 12at has been one of them all along, im guessing yall went injection and dropped the carb ( stupid question, i see the microtech listed)... did yall buy an actual 12at or just build a 12a then buy a manifold and all of the other accessories for a 12at after the fact? thanks, i need some info on this badly
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Old Jun 10, 2006 | 11:15 AM
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I'm also guessing that the stock exhaust is not helping or the ignition. both of those factors will be addressed this fall with the full bridge








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Old Jun 10, 2006 | 11:16 AM
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Old Jun 10, 2006 | 12:26 PM
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Any way you look at it 4,5,6 and even 700rwhp is a lot to handle...
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Old Jun 10, 2006 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by FCKing1995
so pretty much anything over 200whp on a 12a n/a is... not impossible, but not worth the trouble?
Not true, I have personally seen 12a PP engines make 280 hp with weber 48 IDA carbs

Very peaky power band though
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Old Jun 11, 2006 | 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by aussiesmg
Not true, I have personally seen 12a PP engines make 280 hp with weber 48 IDA carbs

Very peaky power band though
ehh, deff. wouldnt want to do a peripheral port, i like having at least a little low end power lol... all i was saying is by the time you spend the $ to get over 200whp out of a n/a 12a, you coulda just gone turbo or done a 13b swap
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Old Jun 11, 2006 | 07:31 AM
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Old Jun 11, 2006 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by FCKing1995
heres another dyno # related question (since none of you have actually posted ANY DAMN DYNO NUMBERS!!! lol) what is the highest hp # you have seen on an n/a 12a? would it do any good to upgrade my mikuni 44 to a weber 48? and would building my own exhaust over the full rb i have now help any? since itll have an agressive streetport, dunno if the rb will flow enough...
On a stockported 12A the output was 126.5rwhp after extensive bolt-on modifications such as Sterling spec carb and a free flow header/exhaust with the usual deletions of rats nest, airpump and ac.This engine had done 62k miles when dynoed.

If I was going agressive streetport I would certainly use an IDA carb with the aim of 180+rwhp. The final output depends on whether you have to satisfy local laws.

For my latest project performance with a stock ported 12AT with stock turbo but new ecu, fmic, header/exhaust etc, the output was 224.5rwhp at 12psi with noise and emissions legal. This engine has done around 28k miles.I could go higher but for a daily driver this is more than adequate power, while some of the fuel consumption figures for higher states of tune are bankruptcy level.
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Old Jun 11, 2006 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulFitzwarryne
On a stockported 12A the output was 126.5rwhp after extensive bolt-on modifications such as Sterling spec carb and a free flow header/exhaust with the usual deletions of rats nest, airpump and ac.This engine had done 62k miles when dynoed.

If I was going agressive streetport I would certainly use an IDA carb with the aim of 180+rwhp. The final output depends on whether you have to satisfy local laws.

For my latest project performance with a stock ported 12AT with stock turbo but new ecu, fmic, header/exhaust etc, the output was 224.5rwhp at 12psi with noise and emissions legal. This engine has done around 28k miles.I could go higher but for a daily driver this is more than adequate power, while some of the fuel consumption figures for higher states of tune are bankruptcy level.
no local laws, no rats nest, e-fan, 0 miles on agressive streetport, weber 48 ida, custom headers and exhaust, light flywheel, street/strip clutch, no p/s or a/c
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Old Jun 11, 2006 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by dj55b
I think he means to say SDJ headers ... they're the best headers made ... I would know since I have one they're pricey though ... they're all custom hand built to your specs in stainless steel.

You can find a picture of them here:

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...&highlight=sdj
Yeah, those. I always want to mix the SDJ with ISC Racing. SDJ is just not very memorable for me.
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Old Jun 11, 2006 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by FCKing1995
aklso what are some of you turbo 12a guys running for fuel setup? (12at, directfreak) as 1 of my few options for build, 12at has been one of them all along, im guessing yall went injection and dropped the carb ( stupid question, i see the microtech listed)... did yall buy an actual 12at or just build a 12a then buy a manifold and all of the other accessories for a 12at after the fact? thanks, i need some info on this badly
Yeah my car is injected. I started with a 12aT block from imported from japan. My fuel system consists of 2 x 800cc injectors, 2 x 1600cc injectors, malpassi rising rate fuel pressure regulator, 2 x bosch 975 efi pumps, 9 psi carter as the lift pump, 2 litre surge tank, 1/2 inch fuel line and a million fuel filters......

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Old Jun 11, 2006 | 08:41 PM
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That he has. I feel pretty good about it though. My car does that power with "only" 20psi, a streetport, and a little turbo. My powerband is very different from his. I make full boost by 3500rpm. That's why my car is verrry nice on the street.

My next engine will be similar to his though. Bridge, Big Turbo, and Lots more boost. But that will be with the widebody.

True. Not to take anything away from him, but..
1) I can't drive. Seriously, I've only had a total of like 5-6 passes ever.
2) I've never used slicks. Just little DR's only 225 wide.
3) My car weighs *alot* more than his. My car weighs 3100 lbs with me in it. It's a heavy ****. (and I am a heavy **** too).
I have to agree, my powerband is very peaky and as you can see from my graph it comes on about 3000 rpm later than Directfreaks. Im sure his car is much much better to drive on the road. I only chose a turbo of that size as I had planned to put in about another 10 psi and shoot for closer to 600rwhp.

3100 pounds is fat as!!!! My car with me in it is only 2750.

Its funny, I have changed to an engine set up much more like Directfreaks and he is changing to one more like mine. Ha ha ha. Im sticking with the 12a though, no big block for me.
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Old Jun 11, 2006 | 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 12at
Yeah my car is injected. I started with a 12aT block from imported from japan. My fuel system consists of 2 x 800cc injectors, 2 x 1600cc injectors, malpassi rising rate fuel pressure regulator, 2 x bosch 975 efi pumps, 9 psi carter as the lift pump, 2 litre surge tank, 1/2 inch fuel line and a million fuel filters......

Hope that helps.
what intake manifold did you use? do you think i would be safe with custom throttle bodies with only 2 injectors? or should i go with something else? or is a 12at injected> i dont know much about 12at's
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Old Jun 11, 2006 | 11:18 PM
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and whats the diff. between a normal 12a block and a 12at block? just accessories that come on it?
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Old Jun 12, 2006 | 02:18 AM
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 08:29 PM
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Hayes racing 13b w/ dual weber. 242rwhp at 6800. But I have run this engine over 10,000 rpm and it stays strong all the way up.
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 08:35 PM
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oh wait thats on the honda ya for o VTEC.

Oh BTW tranqul those plugs are in the mail and should be there sometime soon.
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 08:37 PM
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Hayes racing 13b w/ dual weber. 242rwhp at 6800. But I have run this engine over 10,000 rpm and it stays strong all the way up.
dyno sheet to proove 10k rpm your hp didnt drop? i guarantee it started dropping after 8
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by FCKing1995
what intake manifold did you use? do you think i would be safe with custom throttle bodies with only 2 injectors? or should i go with something else? or is a 12at injected> i dont know much about 12at's

I have a 13bt inlet manifold and throttle body. You can but adaptor plates so it bolts up.

I dont think 2 injectors is enough. Yes the stock 12aT's are injected but they had 2 x 800cc injectors and they are maxed out at about 160rwhp. Also the standard throttle body has tiny little butterflies, that is why I upgraded to the 13b stuff.

The 12aT block has better chrome on the housings apparently, (like a 12a 6 port they have a H on the top of the housings instead of that little block), lower comp rotors. (8.5 compared to the normal 9.4) Also a high volume oil pump, injector holes in the centre plate, a tapped hole in the front plate for the turbo oil feed and an oil return on the front cover. Oh and a 4 line oil metering pump instead of the normal 2 line. Thats about all I can think of of the top of my head.
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