pinoyremix

I am documenting this with pics for everyone and because Lloyd said i had to make a thread.

I have taken a Dellorto RB carb for a 13b and rejetted it to fit the 12a.
http://www.gruntled.com/
This site was one of the most helpful.
Things to note:
13b version does not have omp barbs in the top of the carb...
to be able to work on a 12a you must rejet the carb these are the jets you need to get:
Idle jet hold/emulsion tube (must get from dellorto.com was about $40 no one else has any)
Accelerator pump jet from 80 to 90
Needle and seat...rebuild kits from cb performance come with 225..rb stock uses 300 and dellorto sells 350..you will not find the 300 anymore...so i would go with 225 if your 300 is in bad shape..bc on a stockport 12a..you will foul plugs using the 350.

Jetting for 13b
Main Emulsion Tube #7772.8
Main Fuel Jet #230
Main Air Jet #230
Idle Holder/Emulsion Tube #7850.8
Idle Jet #75
Accelerator Pump Jet #80
Needle and Seat #300

Jetting for stock 12a
Main Emulsion Tube #7772.8
Main Fuel Jet #230
Main Air Jet #230
Idle Holder/Emulsion Tube #7850.4
Idle Jet #75
Accelerator Pump Jet #90
Needle and Seat #300


Now for the pics and install

1. First we started out by draining the radiator...25 yrs old
2. Then we took off the radiator, fan and shroud
3. we removed all the lines to the carb, the manifold and the rats nest
4. then modified the rb header for an a/f sensor
5. installed the dell and massaged the oil filler tube
6. put new radiator on with modified hose and started her up...worked on the first try..

now for the pics:

This is the rb header that has been drilled and o2 bung welded for an a/f sensor


Engine with everything torn off


old nikki carb w/ hoses


Engine from a different angle


Freeze plugs from Pineapple Racing (would recommend if you dont wanna use 0-rings anymore)


Beautiful carb after being completely polished, cleaned and rebuilt by LLoyd...his first time ever rebuilding a two-barrel carb...(note: the air cleaner gasket that comes in the dellorto rebuild kit from cb peformance must be modified because the holes for the two barrels are two small...just need to made larger to work...the kit that cb performance will give you is for the 45 dhla...you also need to make your own gasket for the accelerator pump..just get some thick gasket material at your local car store..




This carb has been modified to work..the carb did not come with a throttle linkage and choke linkage...the stock choke cable barely fits anyways..The orange lines are all the vac lines..for the vacuum advance and to vent the oil filler tube an also omp lines..the stock ones didnt fit..they weren't long enough..and one snapped because it was brittle

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Heatshield made by lloyd...just like the rb one..but has custom finish...


This is a pic of an oil sandwich adapter for oil press or temp...well i didnt keep it on the car..because it leaked a tad bit..


The new radiator installed everything put back on (note: dual alt pulley does not work with non stock alternator...i think my dad got one from shucks 10 yrs ago..and the dual pulley will not fit on the shaft)



Another two pics of the intake setup



This is the upper manifold that was modified by Lloyd..he pressed two nikki barbs into the upper center chamber of the manifold...


The carb did not come with a linkage..in the bottom pic..you can notice the linkage that Lloyd fabbed up..and in the top pic you can see the bracket to hold the throttle cable has been modified



Previous owner had the uim drilled for nos...Lloyd sealed them up

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Wired the omp


We cut the top radiator hose and inserted a adapter for the water temp gauge


Finally a pic of the massaging that was needed to fit the carb with the air cleaner on


Well i know this is long..but i wanted to well document everything..This did start up on the first try..the only leak was with one of the radiator hoses...I am still using the stock fuel system and ignition system..and it is running great with no bogging issues or any problems with acceleration...

If you have any questions or anything that you dont see is right..comment or contact me...and enjoy the thread

pinoyremix

pinoyremix

i also..have a holley red fuel pump..but since the stock is working right now..i thought i would just leave it as a spare...heard there can be some problems when wiring

t_g_farrell

iTrader: (1)

Ron, I see you got it running finally. Looks real nice.

Remember the stock fuel pump won't keep up but you'll see that on the afr once you run it.

I don't have a heat shield and have never had any problems except when the ambient temps get near 100 then if I drive it and let it sit hot, the next time I take off theres a lot of vapor in the bowl and I have to chug it along until cooler fuel displaces it. Just really noticed it this summer down in NC. Previously I was up in Pittsburgh and it never had a problem. So I guess I'll be fabbing up a shield as well.

I have the 350 needle and seat and I'm not having any fouling problems but whatever. Heres a lousy pics of the plugs last time I had them out:

elpena

iTrader: (4)

nice! glad to see u finaly got the carb on. so hows it feel? Sorry about the linkage problem i couldnt find it and the nos ports u had to plug up.

Slammed_GSL

iTrader: (14)

Great shots and great writeup Ron!
I picked up the stuff to finish wiring the guages so we can schedule another day to have you come over and finish your Wideband install as well as the water temp and oil temp.

Lloyd

slate84

see i just hooked the omp linkage up to the tap on the other side of the throttle rod. then again, mine didn't clear the beehive like yours, prob the fact i had the one piece on like from rotary shack. cb gave me a 48mm kit that came with a 275 needle.

pinoyremix

Lloyd,

might have my friend install them tomorrow...that way you can spend the time with the family..i took 2 whole days of your time already..so its ok..plus i gotta come back anyways...for fmoc...maybe fuel pump and setup..and also to install the studs for my rims..

perfect_circle

zip ties FTW!!!

DriveFast7

iTrader: (1)

Idle jet hold/emulsion tube (must get from dellorto.com was about $40 no one else has any)

You bought the idle jet holder from dellorto.com? And the engine runs okay, not too rich? One of the modifications Racing Beat did to the idle jet holders, both 12a and 13b, is drill a small hole in the top of it. To bleed off the signal from to the idle jets. Otherwise it'll run rich all the way up into the main circuit. Just a heads up.

Do you have a wideband air fuel gauge?

pinoyremix

well thats weird because i compared the 13b idle holder and the one i bought from dell...and they look the same..except the holes at the bottom of the jet...i didnt see any difference up top...i have an aem...gauge..thats not hooked up yet...

i thought they modified the emulsion tubes..by adding more holes...not the idle holders..i got this info from gruntled..

t_g_farrell

iTrader: (1)

Not to worry, your idle jet holder is identical to mine and I have a RB prepped Dell I bought new. The emulsion tubes were modified with a lot of extra holes but not the idle jet holders.

pinoyremix

well installed the AEM wideband..and it said it was running rich...well i found out that..the sensor is bad..was saying 8.41 before i even started the car...and i bought it from a kid that must have tampered with it..so i have to buy a new gauge..because the gauge and sensor are wired together..so..we will see..when i get a new gauge..

DriveFast7

iTrader: (1)

When I bought a new idle jet holder from local carb shop it didn't have the small hole in the top like my RB one did. And it ran a lot richer. They did drill the emulsion tube and the top of the idle jet holders.

Slammed_GSL

iTrader: (14)

Hey Ron, let's get some pics of your new guages installed, I want to see your A pillar guage mount.

HI RPM

i did the same set up with my stock 12a but its a side mounted manifold and the stock fuel pump wouldn't keep up at high rpm. looking for a holley blue

pinoyremix

well both the 13b ones and the ones i bought both have holes at the top...heres a pic of them on their sides...

pinoyremix

i dont understand what you mean..that you have the same setup but yours is a side mounted manifold..this is a side draft carb and manifold..unless your talking about a weber down draft set up..which then stands...and if you have a weber 48...no..your stock fuel pump would not keep up..because its a stronger carb...

Slammed_GSL

iTrader: (14)

Go with a Carter or Mallory FP, Holley should be your 3rd choice.

HI RPM

is there a model number on the carter or mallory fp i can ask for.

Hyper4mance2k

iTrader: (40)

That's a hawk of crap! Holley should be his second choice. The Carter sucks. It'll barely feed anough for a street ported 13B. If you ever decide to build an engine then you'd have to buy another fuel pump why waste the money when you can do it right the first time. I'd say Mallory then Holley, then Carter. The only good thing about the carter is that it's quiet.

Slammed_GSL

iTrader: (14)

Carter would be more then enough for his 12a....Do you need more then 6-8PSI for any 12a or 13b NA application? Just wondering.
RacingBeat instructions say unless you are doing full throttle for 10sec or more the stock fuel delivery will be fine for the Dellorto 48mm 12a setup. 10 sec is a long time at full throttle....about $240 if you get caught...LOL!
YawPower modded Nikki carbs are only running 2.5-3psi.
Also Yaw really talks down the Holley for it's reliability, check his site http://www.yawpower.com/fueldel.html
http://www.yawpower.com/racecarb.html
Fuel Pump Thread with specs on both Carter models.
https://www.rx7club.com/1st-generation-specific-1979-1985-18/discuss-carter-p4070-vs-carter-p4594-fuel-pump-767880/


Ron! Where are those interior shots of your cool guages dude!

pinoyremix

there coming..i forgot my camera...plus...i had my oil gauge needle bouncing..cuz i forgot that the end was loose and bouncing on the brake proportioning valve...now its all good...

pinoyremix

gauge pix as lloyd requested..lol