87turbo2

I have a 83 GSL I recently picked up dirt cheap ( $200 ) motor runs great, one prob though. I can't physically get it into a gear after the car is started. When it's off it'll run thru the gears normally. I can start the car in a gear, and it'll lurch forward and then start going. There's no slipping at all. But even after it's going I can't put in 2nd, 3rd, anything! Is it a slave cylinder, release bearing,fork,?????? Any help is greatly appreciated.

damon

sounds to me like it needs a new clutch /pressure plate and throwout bearing

....as long as there is tension on the clutch pedal (it doesnt go to the floor

87turbo2

yeah it has some play. Not on the floor at all. The guy I bought it from said that while at a red light one day it did go to the floor and never came back up. so it had been in his yard for a while.

inittab

Sounds like a clutch hydraulics problem to me. Try bleeding the master/slave cylinder's. You may also need to rebuild or replace 'em. I'd hope it's the hydraulics 'cause that'll be a lot cheaper to fix than a whole new clutch. Good luck!

damon

no doubt , mot to mention the pain in the as# procedure of dropping the tranny and alligning the clutch and putting it all back together ..... wait ..... that sounds like fun to me ... hehehe .... lol

87turbo2

Appreciate it!!!! Yeah this is RX7 # 8 for me my 7th is a 87TII that is going to be a donor for the 1st gen. But in the mean time need my 7 for daily driver.

inittab

As is should be!

Pele

iTrader: (28)

Replace the clutch hydraulics (Master, slave and hose) as a set. It's easier in the long run.

87turbo2

But that should solve the prob? I just want an easy fix to get my new toy on the road. It has a 13bt waiting for a new home anyhow, but that's a little more $$ than I have right now.

inittab

Good luck with your car.... you're gonna need it!

leadguy

Just a few hours ago I rebuilt and re-installed the slave cylinder in my 80. It was doing pretty much the same thing that you described. It is now shifting fine.

My car had been stored for years and it didn't have this problem when I garaged it. Looking inside of the slave cylinder I noticed there was rust above the piston that prevented it from moving completely up the cylinder and fully engaging/disengaging the clutch.

The rebuild kit was $11 from a local parts store. You will need to use an air compressor to force the piston out. Be careful it will shoot out like a bullet. Be sure to replace or rebuild the slave before dealing with the master as the slave is the most likely (and easy to replace) culprit.

If you would prefer to buy one, I stopped in a clutch place today and they said that they could get me a new slave cylinder for only $20. Too bad I had already bought the kit and started work.

The place is called Quality Clutches Inc. 313-277-1780 the website on the card is qualityclutches.com. Ask for Ric if you call. BTW they quoted $91 bucks for a new clutch set.

87turbo2

Appreciate the info.....I went to Autozone here in town and picked one up for 13.99 didn't realize I needed longer extension to get to it though.. d'oh
pretty quick fix though huh?
glad to hear...MPV is gettin old...want to drive the GSL before it gets parked for the TII swap ( whenever that happens )

rxseven

I bet it is a damaged pilot bearing not hydraulics

leadguy

Is that the price for the kit or the clutch?

87turbo2

Sorry I didn't specify....a new slave cylinder....I haven't priced clutches.
---but rxseven,
you think it's the bearing?!?!?
Crap!!!!
How can I check??
nevermind....i'm a dumbass.....replace slave...still not work then hmmmmmmmm maybe something else..

MarkPerez

If the hydr.system's fluid is (was) dark, or dirty , it's the
clutch master...don't forget to check the blinker fluid too.
haha

87turbo2

Yeah the fluid in the res is REAL dark....I w've had to work 8-8 everday since I got the car, so I'll be tackling this project tomorrow ;
I'll post the results ( please just be the slave...PLEASE!! )

rx7passion

sounds like my clutch problems too, i would check how far the slave actually moves the clutch fork. if it doesnt move that much i would pull the mast off and check it.

87turbo2

Sorry to sound stupid, but how do I check that, just remove it and check the plunger end?
And how would I check the master??
Sorry I know pretty much nil on clutches

MarkPerez

when the fluid turns dark,or dirty it's the master cyl.
when the slave cyl. fails the fluid stays light colour.
but when the master fails the fluid turns dark. the
colour is from the metal in the master cyl. for whatever
reason of the failure the fluid gets contaminated and
that's the reason for the dark colour...rebuild the clutch
master cyl.

MarkPerez

to pull the master, unscrew the metal brake line from
the master,,under the dash 2 bolts hold the master,
remove those,and it's free,get the rebuild kit before
you tear down the master,,to test the master,,
place it in a vise,plug where the metal brake line goes,
add fluid,i used a 3/8 socket extension to push the plunger.if when compressing,presure does not build
the master failed

87turbo2

appreciate it...hope to start on it tomorrow a.m.

MarkPerez

No problem

87turbo2

I'm just hoping this is all it is......If it's the clutch or anything internal I'm SOL...Hope to be done by 12-1pm tomorrow.....
( I'm lazy and watch cartoons w/my kids )

MarkPerez

A few weeks back,i was driving, and the clutch pedel
went to mush,,i didn't notice the colour of the fluid.
so i bought a brand new clutch assembly,,pulled
the transmission and all the crap that goes with it.
installed the clutch and reassembled everything.put
new fluid in,bleed the air,and guess what ?? the pedel
was still mush,,so i bought a brand new slave cyl.
bleed the air, and guess what ??still mush,,i'm pissed
now..then i started thinking i missed something..then
i noticed the colour of the fluid,,so i pulled the master
to check it,put it in a vise,pluged the line-out,added
fluid,and pushed the plunger in,it was mush,,,'ding'
found it !! bought a rebuild kit,rebuilt that mother _ucker
installed it,added fluid,bleed the air,and guess what ??
it works awesome,,,,.,.,i didn't NEED to replace the
clutch ,or slave yet,.,.i'm still kinda pissed ,but as long
as that fluid stays clear i'm happier,,so the colours the
give a way to that problem