carburated renesis swap
Originally Posted by hondah8er
Sure. But carbs are finicky....cold starting is shitty with a weber, and it lacks the refinement of efi. And its not modern day like EFI.
they're not bad as you think and will start @ 1st crank if it's modded for street use. it's just like a standalone; you start on some foo's basemap, and just go on from there.
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To say anything is the only way to go is closed minded and demonstrates ignorance.
To say that "no backyard yahoo is going to dream up a carb system that is more efficent" is also short sighted. Most of the highest performance street cars you'll see are the results of "back yard yahoos' dreams".
...And the Weber is NOT the best carb for a Renesis.
I do not know what would be, but it should be a fully tunable 4 bbl with variable control secondaries. This would offer far greater opportunity to take advantage of the special porting of the Renesis.
But here we come full circle concerning this engine. It would take ALOT of "backyard yahoo dreaming" to finally get something like that down as good as you could get it with a carb, and the programable EFI driver would be having much more fun driving his around while the carbed guys were still trying to chart RPM/load/jetting graphs. ...For no gains.
To say that "no backyard yahoo is going to dream up a carb system that is more efficent" is also short sighted. Most of the highest performance street cars you'll see are the results of "back yard yahoos' dreams".

...And the Weber is NOT the best carb for a Renesis.
I do not know what would be, but it should be a fully tunable 4 bbl with variable control secondaries. This would offer far greater opportunity to take advantage of the special porting of the Renesis.
But here we come full circle concerning this engine. It would take ALOT of "backyard yahoo dreaming" to finally get something like that down as good as you could get it with a carb, and the programable EFI driver would be having much more fun driving his around while the carbed guys were still trying to chart RPM/load/jetting graphs. ...For no gains.
Originally Posted by d0 Luck
oh yeah? how do you know webers are "finicky"? have you owned one or had personal experience w/ one?
they're not bad as you think and will start @ 1st crank if it's modded for street use. it's just like a standalone; you start on some foo's basemap, and just go on from there.
they're not bad as you think and will start @ 1st crank if it's modded for street use. it's just like a standalone; you start on some foo's basemap, and just go on from there.
I know quite a few including my mechanic who have owned them and i've also driven a few. Dont worry about my experience with them.
Notice I said "hard to start when cold "
EFI is better any way you slice it.
Last edited by hondah8er; Jan 12, 2005 at 09:20 AM.
As a owner of carb'd cars since for twenty years, and a few fuel injected, I do have to say that a well setup, tuned, and cleaned out carb will start well, but sometimes will need a pump on the gas pedal or a little throttle to cold idle when very cold out. I do think EFI starts and runs much better, and enjoy starting my 99 Amigo V6 with EFI on a cold day and not worrying if it'll need some help.
But most people go with carbs because, generally speaking, they are cheaper and easier to setup and get the car running. With that said, the best set of carbs will not make as much HP as a decent EFI system.
I looked @ the intake manifold for the renesis and an adaptor plate for a 2bbl carb would not be too difficult to make.
But most people go with carbs because, generally speaking, they are cheaper and easier to setup and get the car running. With that said, the best set of carbs will not make as much HP as a decent EFI system.
I looked @ the intake manifold for the renesis and an adaptor plate for a 2bbl carb would not be too difficult to make.
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Originally Posted by hondah8er
Sure. But carbs are finicky....cold starting is shitty with a weber, and it lacks the refinement of efi. And its not modern day like EFI.
Originally Posted by Hyper4mance2k
Do you have a weber? no? well BULLSHIT DON'T SAY **** YOU HAVE NO EXPERIANCE WITH. My weber starts in one crank on 25 degree days, and thats without a choke! I wish someone would just ban you. All you ever do is start **** never add anyhting worth wile to any topic.
Originally Posted by Hyper4mance2k
Do you have a weber? no? well BULLSHIT DON'T SAY **** YOU HAVE NO EXPERIANCE WITH. My weber starts in one crank on 25 degree days, and thats without a choke! I wish someone would just ban you. All you ever do is start **** never add anyhting worth wile to any topic.
Last edited by hondah8er; Jan 13, 2005 at 02:29 PM.
wow i cannot believe that people are still trying to argue for carbs, sure they have advantages like cost and easier tuning, but its the years 2005 the first carb'd engines came out over 100 years ago, the technology isn't bad but it is old and efi systems are more accurate than any carb, but i think it would be cool to see a carb'd renesis it should be able to make a considererable amount more power than stock with a custom intake manifold and a holley 4 barrel with a good exhaust system should kick *** and rev to about 10k sounds fun to be but i'm not rich so someone with alot of money should try it for me
lol
lol
There aint no better carb for a N/A rotary than a IDA weber....... full stop!
the two barrel 48IDA has proven itself on the race track .... back in the day.
it cannot be questioned.
the two barrel 48IDA has proven itself on the race track .... back in the day.
it cannot be questioned.
Last edited by GUZZLR; Jan 14, 2005 at 12:00 AM.
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From: Trying to convince some clown not to put a Holley 600 on his 12a.
Originally Posted by GUZZLR
the two barrel 48IDA has proven itself on the race track .... back in the day.
but its the years 2005 the first carb'd engines came out over 100 years ago,
And don't get me started on METAL. They've had that **** for like 1000's of years. That's why I replaced EVRYTHNG in my car with plastic. That's the future.
Though I do enjoy listening to people who drive 20-25 year old cars argue about living in the now.
If you are a fan of carburetors, ask yourself the question, "why did all car manufacturers convert to EFI?" If your answer is, "in 1990, it became manditory that all cars be EFI for stricter anitpollution laws," you are only half right. Maybe ask yourself why nearly all high end race cars (787 B, formula 1, rally cars, etc) are EFI? It simply makes more power. Carbs are mechanical, EFI is electronic. It is the same as comparing a mechanical calculator of the late 1800s and early 1900s that took hours to do a simple operation, to a supercomputer that performs advanced calculus functions in mere seconds.
P.S. I know Nascar uses carbs, but Nascar is a joke IMO. Carbs are cheap, yes. But not at all at the same level (tunability, power, drivability) as EFI.
P.S. I know Nascar uses carbs, but Nascar is a joke IMO. Carbs are cheap, yes. But not at all at the same level (tunability, power, drivability) as EFI.
Originally Posted by Feds
Man, do any of you have any concept of how old the WHEEL is!?!?! And yet here you all are, still rolling around on WHEELS! Idiots. Live in the now. MAG LEV baby! If you ain't ridin' on an electromagnetic wave, well, yer nuthin!
And don't get me started on METAL. They've had that **** for like 1000's of years. That's why I replaced EVRYTHNG in my car with plastic. That's the future.
Though I do enjoy listening to people who drive 20-25 year old cars argue about living in the now.
And don't get me started on METAL. They've had that **** for like 1000's of years. That's why I replaced EVRYTHNG in my car with plastic. That's the future.
Though I do enjoy listening to people who drive 20-25 year old cars argue about living in the now.
Originally Posted by shm21284
If you are a fan of carburetors, ask yourself the question, "why did all car manufacturers convert to EFI?" If your answer is, "in 1990, it became manditory that all cars be EFI for stricter anitpollution laws," you are only half right. Maybe ask yourself why nearly all high end race cars (787 B, formula 1, rally cars, etc) are EFI? It simply makes more power. Carbs are mechanical, EFI is electronic. It is the same as comparing a mechanical calculator of the late 1800s and early 1900s that took hours to do a simple operation, to a supercomputer that performs advanced calculus functions in mere seconds.
P.S. I know Nascar uses carbs, but Nascar is a joke IMO. Carbs are cheap, yes. But not at all at the same level (tunability, power, drivability) as EFI.
P.S. I know Nascar uses carbs, but Nascar is a joke IMO. Carbs are cheap, yes. But not at all at the same level (tunability, power, drivability) as EFI.
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From: Trying to convince some clown not to put a Holley 600 on his 12a.
Originally Posted by Hyper4mance2k
Originally Posted by hondah8er
Sure. But carbs are finicky....cold starting is shitty with a weber, and it lacks the refinement of efi. And its not modern day like EFI.
Now I see he was right.
Originally Posted by Sterling
At first I thought Hyper4mance was going off the deep end.
Now I see he was right.
Now I see he was right.




