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Airconditioning- 134a Or 12b-help!!!

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Old Jul 16, 2010 | 01:31 PM
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lol just let all the gas out... mine was near empty! then just take out the hoses using wrenches etc.. take off bracket etc... done!

heater still works and i still get some "cooler" air... but i wouldn't suggest doing this on a car in a hot environment!
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Old Jul 16, 2010 | 03:03 PM
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After I did that on my car, the bio therm I had in the vent, showed it getting pretty damn cold! If R134a doesnt get as cold, then why does every car on the road use it now? Other than the goverment bullshit they pulled a while back to drive the price up?
As an ASE/EPA Certified Technician for A/C Repair, (in truth its little more than proof I read the pamphlet and paid the money) the reason we switched to HFC-134, even though it truly is less efficient than CFC-12, is because of the damage CFC-12 does to the Ozone Mostly because guys like us and shops in the day liked to:
lol just let all the gas out... mine was near empty! then just take out the hoses using wrenches etc.. take off bracket etc... done!
While HFC-134 is still harmful to the environment it's supposedly less so than CFC-12, thus the government required all auto manufacturers to find an alternative refrigerant. R-134a is not the only refrigerant used by Automotive manufacturers, its just the most commonly used right now.

As for further reading material and a more detailed explanation of why CFC-12 is no longer used and the proper procedure for retrofitting a system from CFC-12 to HFC-134, refer to this link here:
http://www.freeautomechanic.com/airconditioning4.html
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Old Jul 20, 2010 | 10:43 PM
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The plastic box under the passenger side dash which contains the evaporator weighs 7.2 pounds according to my bathroom scale. AC water vent tube was clogged and I had to pull the box out to remove the leaves, chunks of pine needles and dirt from the previous owner's neglect. Seems like a prime opportunity to ditch my 134a conversion so I just ordered the es-12 kit from autorefrigerants.com and a new condenser and o-ring kit from rockauto.com. Looks like I have my weekend all planned.
I know I can buy the flush kit and use with my air compressor, but how do I pull a vacuum and check my system for leaks without buying a $200 specialty pump? I thought I read that Autozone has a loaner for them but not according to their site.
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