Acetone in your fuel??? WTF?
01-23-06, 02:00 AM
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Come on man you read on the internet it has to be true! 
But in all honesty it's an aromatic just like fuel and at 2oz per 10 gallons I doubt it will hurt anything. I use toluene and xylene in both my race cars and have done so for years. This is the first I've heard of acetone, but it's a cheap experiment to get a 20%+ gain in fuel economy.
Seems this would be very effective in helping some of the RX population pass emissions. Claims of up to 60% on older cars (thats ours
)hydrocarbon emission reductions. Thats a ton!
Whatever I'll try some and let you all know.
I ain't skeert!
But in all honesty it's an aromatic just like fuel and at 2oz per 10 gallons I doubt it will hurt anything. I use toluene and xylene in both my race cars and have done so for years. This is the first I've heard of acetone, but it's a cheap experiment to get a 20%+ gain in fuel economy. Seems this would be very effective in helping some of the RX population pass emissions. Claims of up to 60% on older cars (thats ours
)hydrocarbon emission reductions. Thats a ton! Whatever I'll try some and let you all know.
I ain't skeert!
01-23-06, 09:14 AM
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I don't know. The sources on the site above seem pretty credible. I think someone should actually try in on their rotary and let us know what's up.
I know I'm gonna try it on my DD (not rotary). It'll give me somthing to do at least.
I know I'm gonna try it on my DD (not rotary). It'll give me somthing to do at least.
01-23-06, 10:08 AM
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01-23-06, 11:51 AM
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acetone eh?......ya ok ,,put in in you tank this way...get a styrofoam coffee cup ..put one ounce of acetone in the coffee cup ..now walk over to your gas tank and remove the cap ..put the acetone in the tank....GOOD LUCK
01-23-06, 11:55 AM
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NOW>.if you have done that you see why you shouldn't put acetone in your fuel system....because..THE ACETONE HAS JUST EATEN THROUGH THE COFFEE CUP..JUST THINK HOW YOUR FUEL SYSTEM WOULD HOLD UP...CASE CLOSED...(PS..THAT is why I said GOOD LUCK)
01-23-06, 02:36 PM
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NOW>.if you have done that you see why you shouldn't put acetone in your fuel system....because..THE ACETONE HAS JUST EATEN THROUGH THE COFFEE CUP..JUST THINK HOW YOUR FUEL SYSTEM WOULD HOLD UP...CASE CLOSED...(PS..THAT is why I said GOOD LUCK)
As stated above fuel will eat through a cup as well. The factory fuel lines should be made of butyl rubber any way. Might help to read before posting. The author said he has had carb parts soaking in 20%+ acetone fuel mixes for years and they are still just fine. Just for test urposes I'll take a smal piece of the stock fuel line and put in a jar of fuel with 20% acetone in it and we'll see just how damaging it is.
And on that note, the tiny (1 part per 3000) amounts of acetone you would be useing would not harm them or cause rotor scuffing. Like I said I've looked at all this and can't find any reason not to try it. And have already done so. I used 3oz then filled my tank with 87 I also run 3oz of MMO per fill up. I was netting around 17-18 mpg city. Only time will tell now. I'm happy to be the test subject.
If anyone can come up with a GOOD reason not to do this pls. enlighten me.
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01-23-06, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by aussiesmg
Plus it will strip the oil from your rotor housings and leave it metal to metal, I wouldn't try it on a rotary for that reason alone.
01-23-06, 05:22 PM
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It most likely would not do it anymore than gasoline would.
The point of acetone in gasoline is to help it atomize better. Its no more of a solvent than gas, toluene, etc is. If youre THAT worried just put in some damn MMO, 2stroke premix or ATF.
The point of acetone in gasoline is to help it atomize better. Its no more of a solvent than gas, toluene, etc is. If youre THAT worried just put in some damn MMO, 2stroke premix or ATF.
01-23-06, 07:06 PM
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I give up :-).
If you want great gas mileage, ride a bike.
If you want to care for your Rx7, then *think* about what you're doing to it while driving and caring for it, listen to it, and keep it cool enough and flush with fresh oil.
Enjoy,
Seamus
If you want great gas mileage, ride a bike.
If you want to care for your Rx7, then *think* about what you're doing to it while driving and caring for it, listen to it, and keep it cool enough and flush with fresh oil.
Enjoy,
Seamus
01-24-06, 07:42 AM
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Not sure if any of you have worked with acetone on a day to day basis but i have and its some nasty stuff, i would do some test with it against the orings and seals, apex seals, and take some oil and make a thin coat on some metal and put a few drops on there. in my line of work we use acetone to break up oil, grease, dirt, anything, and if you get the **** on your hands it instantly removes all oils form you skin and your skin turns pail. it is also used to bring dirt and grit out of the metals and to the surface for deep cleaning. ive seen guys use it to break up and eat orings out of groves before because they did not want to damage to grove surface. just think what it could do. im not saying its a good or bad idea just saying get a little bit of it and do some experiments with it. i know for a fact it will break down oil, rubber and grease with no effort. try this put a very thin coat of oil on the back of a cookie sheet and the drop some acectone right in the middle of it and then take another cookie sheet and rub them together and i bet alot of the oil will be gone for the most part and the bottoms of those will be scratched all to hell. acetone brings grit and stuff out of the metals and brings them to the surfaces which means major sratches. im not an expert i just know what i have seen this stuff do. just do some HEAVY research and EXPERIMENTS first. i just dont think its worth the risk robert
01-24-06, 12:12 PM
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Your suggestions are for straight acetone, the dilution in the gasoline is really small. I don't think that it's a horrible idea. Most people who are posting the bad comments have experience with acetone as a paint stripper or whatever in it's straight-from-the-can form. Try diluting it a little with gasoline. Oh wait, gasoline is a solvent too. D'uh! Gasoline can break down o-rings too, depending on the rubber composition. Gasoline can strip metals and paint too.
My only suggestion is to do a bunch of research. I've read that Oxigenated (sp?) fuels sold in CA don't respond so well since there is 10% ethanol (corn or sugar alcohol) in it. I have a bunch of Acetone in the garage so I think I'll give it a try.
My only suggestion is to do a bunch of research. I've read that Oxigenated (sp?) fuels sold in CA don't respond so well since there is 10% ethanol (corn or sugar alcohol) in it. I have a bunch of Acetone in the garage so I think I'll give it a try.
01-24-06, 12:20 PM
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Your suggestions are for straight acetone, the dilution in the gasoline is really small. I don't think that it's a horrible idea. Most people who are posting the bad comments have experience with acetone as a paint stripper or whatever in it's straight-from-the-can form. Try diluting it a little with gasoline. Oh wait, gasoline is a solvent too. D'uh! Gasoline can break down o-rings too, depending on the rubber composition. Gasoline can strip metals and paint too.
My only suggestion is to do a bunch of research. I've read that Oxigenated (sp?) fuels sold in CA don't respond so well since there is 10% ethanol (corn or sugar alcohol) in it. I have a bunch of Acetone in the garage so I think I'll give it a try.
My only suggestion is to do a bunch of research. I've read that Oxigenated (sp?) fuels sold in CA don't respond so well since there is 10% ethanol (corn or sugar alcohol) in it. I have a bunch of Acetone in the garage so I think I'll give it a try.
01-24-06, 12:27 PM
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That was exactly what i was trying to get across. I'll bet that if you took the additives in gasoline in their straight format, they are harmful in one way or another to a fuel system, but their dilution ratios render them harmless
01-24-06, 12:52 PM
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well personally do what ever you want to your cars but still how much good is it going to do and how much risk is there. im not saying its going to tear somthing up but how much difference is it going to make. if its that small of a mixture that its not going to damage somthing then is it to small to notice a signifacant difference??? thats the question.
all of your arguements defend the additive of acetone saying its such a small amount its not going to damage somthing but if its so small then how much good can it do????
all of your arguements defend the additive of acetone saying its such a small amount its not going to damage somthing but if its so small then how much good can it do????
01-24-06, 01:48 PM
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Read the articles, do some internet searches, and read some chemistry books. That will give you all the information you need to make an educated guess whether to perform real world analysis. Most people on this board like to say "I'm not saying it's bad, but ... (list a bunch of bad side effects)".
Yes the dilution is large and only a small amount of acetone is needed per tank, and apparently that's all that is required to reduce the surface tension of gasoline. That's why there is such a hoopla about this since the government has opted to add ethanol to gasoline, which increases the surface tension, if I recall correctly. My only input to this thread is for everyone to stop trying to poke holes in the information. Read it, try to understand the underlying chemistry behind it, and then decide if you would like to try it, but don't pass partial judgement on others who are asking for advise or knowledge on the subject. You guys know who you are... You respond like this.."Do what ever you want with your car, but I'll stick to good ol' pump gas." Your input relative to the thread is useless and does nothing to answer the original question.
Yes the dilution is large and only a small amount of acetone is needed per tank, and apparently that's all that is required to reduce the surface tension of gasoline. That's why there is such a hoopla about this since the government has opted to add ethanol to gasoline, which increases the surface tension, if I recall correctly. My only input to this thread is for everyone to stop trying to poke holes in the information. Read it, try to understand the underlying chemistry behind it, and then decide if you would like to try it, but don't pass partial judgement on others who are asking for advise or knowledge on the subject. You guys know who you are... You respond like this.."Do what ever you want with your car, but I'll stick to good ol' pump gas." Your input relative to the thread is useless and does nothing to answer the original question.