dean23

my frind has a stock t2 and is going to upgrade everything on it.. so all his stock turbo parts are coming out, and wi;ll be most likely given to me...

i know im going to port and rebuild my motor sometime soon, but what all can i take and use from the t2 on my motor, and what additional parts will i need?

i did search, but fell short of wat i needed to know... thanx for the help guys.

coldy13

You can use the turbo, intercooler, maybe the downpipe(havn't tried it)and exhaust manifold, just grind the bolt holes and exhaust ports inward to match the 12a gasket.

You'll need to get a GSL-SE fuel pump or better, pressure regulator, oil feed and drain lines(might be able to use some pieces from TII), you'll want a MSD box, but you can get away with using single prong NGK's gapped way down.

gmanuser

do you have a t12a coldy 12? ohh and btw dean your maniffold off your 80 has a perfect size hole to piipe from intercooler to manifold and perfect positioning bolts for it where your emmisions usto be and lots of room on side to mount intercooler + heatshield, and you will most likely need to get a new downppe or weld it heat bend to meat what you need.

gmanuser

here is pic of what i am talking about w/ emmisions on. by by mr emmisions!

gmanuser

blasted circled rong part and btw this is a 80 non cal carb. here is correct part you want to take off and hook up the intercooler to.

dean23

thanks. u guys have been a ton of help.. so heres another q

would i be better off bying a new turbo, like the 60-1, and rebuild\hybrid the turbo??

Naegleria_Fowleri

It depends on the condition of the turbo you are getting, and if you are paying for the parts from your friends car or you are getting them for free. If you are getting the parts for free and the turbo is in good condition, why buy another turbo? Save the money and start prepping for more boost. If you are buying everything, then sure why not buy a different turbo? I think that even with the stock TII turbo that you would be hella quick though.

perfect_circle

yea, coldy pioneered the 12at so respect his authoritay.

im not really sure what your saying, at all. but if hes using a carb, he most likely wont use the stock one, and if he does, it will be completely stripped. and i dont know what your saying about attaching the intercooler to the stock manifold. the intercooler has nothing to do with the exhaust, and the turbo wont bolt to a 12a manifold. period.

you can probably use the DP(will need to be shortened) you can use the turbo/mani, and the IC. if ou plan to stay carb'd. you cant use anything else. but if you go efi, you could probably use his injectors, possibly parts of the manifold, if hes parting with them. thats all i can think of for now.

and also, your going to need some sort pf spacer between the manifold and the block. because the turbo will hit the intake manifold.

in the first one, it is a stcok turbo/mani with a weber. second is a s4 turbo with a custom header, and a stock nikki boost prepped. minus all of the crap

gmanuser

dude belive me when i say you can keep your manifoold if its a 80 because they where set up diffrent and dude second of all the intercooler has everything to do with the exaust where do you think the hot air of the turbo goes? to the intercoler you are funny man i have never read anything about coldy i just know from my own experiances but i must give him props for truboing a 12a. you are funny heheh thats all i will say because anyone that knows anything about turbos will agrea with me that the intercooler has everything to do with exaust, w/o exaust = no purupose for intercooler because no turbo because nothing to spin it lol.

gmanuser

do you even know what an interooler is or what it does?

"The intercooler's purpose is to cool down the extremely hot air coming out of the turbo. This serves two purposes. One is to decrease the inital temperature of the air/fuel mixture entering the engine, which serves to reduce detonation and permit higher boost levels. The second reason is that cooler air is denser, therefore more air can fit into the combustion chamber. So you can see that denser air at higher pressure allows the engine to produce more power. This is illustrated by the improved performance of 175 HP at 5200 rpm and 175 ft-lbs from 2200-4800 rpm." from http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/perf/turboinfo.html
the exaust is almost where all the heat comes from

perfect_circle

yes, that is what an intercooler does, but it still has nothing to do with the exhaust. you could run an intercooler on an na setup if you wanted.

you see, the exhaust spins a little fan, which is connected to a shaft which spins another fan, which pulls air in, and compresses it. two different chambers. you have the hot side of a turbo(exhaust) and the cold side of a tubo(intake) the intercooler is place in line after the cold side or the intake, hence it has nothing to do with the exhaust.

and as far as the 80 intake manifold being different, it is. its a s1, i thought you were saying a turbo would bolt to the exhaust manifold. but in 80 they didnt have exhaust maifolds.

im glad you think im funny, i try my best.

dean23

im loving this thread right now.... im at school btw.. its the only thing my school hasnt blocked yet.... .

i think im going to get a boost prepped sterling carb.. ive heard good things about them and i like the idea of "bolt on" haha. ill be take auto shop as a career next year so thats when im going to be starting this project.. and isnt it true that u dont need an intercooler if your running under 8psi?

perfect_circle

you dont need one, but it definately allows for more boost/power/more tuneability. at the moment, sterling/carl dont offer a boost prepped version of there carb, but robert at rotaryshack, will rebuild/boost prep a nikki for you, and give you a hat for like 200 i think.

dean23

are u sure sterling doesn't boost prep? because i thought i read something about it on his page.

perfect_circle

it was in the developmental stages, when he got burned by his test subject. and theve been insanely busy. he told me they were close to getting it, but just didnt have the time to finish it. there isnt enough demand.

DriftFB

I'll take your word for it on the S1 exhaust manifold.
the hot exhaust goes through the turbo and then out the exhaust.

The air that goes through the turbo heats a little from being compressed and from being in close to the hot exhaust side of the turbo. The air then (sometimes) goes through the intercooler to get the temperatures back down.
You kind of redeem yourself here, but not many people could read to far into this paragraph on account of poor grammar. But your presenting your idea all backwards. Its like saying all cars are electric cars because no gasoline engine could run without a sparkplug. Very bad way to win an arguement.

btw, your grammar sucks.

openshot

how much horse power does a tubo give on a 12A?

perfect_circle

anywhere from 140 to 680 depends on how much you want to spend.

gmanuser

dude perfect circle the best by far are sterling carbs withouth a doubt and they are pretty reasonably priced. and yes i know what the exuast has to do with it and once agian i say w/o exaust you have no need for intercooler!! man you make me laugh!

perfect_circle

look, i dont want to fight with you, but if you want to talk about turbochargers, then could you atleast speak english, the dominant language on this forum. i know sterling carbs are good, but i also know he doesnt boost prep them yet, or i would have one. i know it on the site, they are busy building there new shop, and probably dont have time to worry about it.

and i still dont know what you mean without an exhaust you have no need for an intercooler? every freaking car ever has an exhaust. so how in the world could you turbocharge a car without an exhaust?? at that point an intercooler would be more worthless than a turbocharger, because your engine isnt producing any byproducts, to spin the turbo let alone need an intercooler. why dont you try speaking coherently. better yet, if you proof read what you type, and understand it, i will admit defeat.

13b4me

Kinda funny how you stop at 680... Such an oddball number for an estimate... Guess nobody's cracked Robert's record yet huh?

perfect_circle

i think i heard hes up to like 720, but why make a new screen name??

trochoid

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Robert has cracked his 680 mark, I saw a 720 somewhere.

Hyper4mance2k

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gmanuser is english your second language? If it's not you need to ake your *** back to school. Learn how to write, then learn a little something about cars...

perfect_circle

lol, thats exactly what i was thinking.