Low-mileage Colorado 10thAE on CL
03-31-14, 10:28 AM
#1
Low-mileage Colorado 10thAE on CL
Anyone here know this car?
10th anniversary edition RX-7. Very rare
Owner is asking $4k, based on the car's history, but I found one of his claims to be curious:
I'm not sure how he would have arrived at that "5 known to exist" number - - known by whom, since there 's no truly official registry & even Mazda never kept track?
I'm not necessarily arguing with his statement, but I'm curious as to how he could have arrived at it with such assurance.
I mean, I could say about my car that "only one such RX-7 is known to exist" if I just don't look for any, right?
& as far is this being the "the rarest RX-7 Mazda ever built," that's pretty hard to support, too, given the known rare birds out there. But it's pretty subjective.
10th anniversary edition RX-7. Very rare
Owner is asking $4k, based on the car's history, but I found one of his claims to be curious:
For 1980 Mazda introduced 8,000 10th Anniversary Edition RX7's, GLC's and 626's. Mazda corporate evidently never kept track of how many of each where made but regardless, there are between 1,000 to 2,500 10AE RX-7's ever built. Of that number there are only 5 KNOWN 10AE RX-7's left. Without exaggeration this is the rarest RX-7 Mazda ever built.
I'm not necessarily arguing with his statement, but I'm curious as to how he could have arrived at it with such assurance.
I mean, I could say about my car that "only one such RX-7 is known to exist" if I just don't look for any, right?
& as far is this being the "the rarest RX-7 Mazda ever built," that's pretty hard to support, too, given the known rare birds out there. But it's pretty subjective.
03-31-14, 10:37 AM
#2
Like you said there are no official numbers on the Anniversary X edition cars, but it wasn't just the Rx7 that got that package in 1980. I have no facts to back it up, but I've seen as many of these in my internet travels over the year as I have 80 LS's, 79 LE's and such, so I doubt they are any rarer than either of those.
Without pics of the interior it's hard to say if the above is even genuine. The badge isn't placed correctly....
The rarest Rx7, at least on US soil was the 89 and 90 GTUs. Whether you like FC's or actually care about the GTUs is another story, but they only made 1100 between the 2 years, making it rarer than any other limited run 7...
Without pics of the interior it's hard to say if the above is even genuine. The badge isn't placed correctly....
The rarest Rx7, at least on US soil was the 89 and 90 GTUs. Whether you like FC's or actually care about the GTUs is another story, but they only made 1100 between the 2 years, making it rarer than any other limited run 7...
03-31-14, 11:40 AM
#3
Well, that got ugly fast... apparently I'm some sort of 'hater' who has nothing to do but participate in a 'global conspiracy' that has nothing else to do in life but 'call bullshit on cars I've never seen' hating on the owner for not having realized that the above information is incorrect and the badge is indeed in the correct position. 
Sorry to have wrecked your day, Miles, and sad to see that you deleted your FB post before I could finish my final reply.
It appears here:
Good luck with your sale, indeed. Maybe we'll meet in Vegas and can have a beer together to bury the hatchet?
No hate on my part.
-G.
Sorry to have wrecked your day, Miles, and sad to see that you deleted your FB post before I could finish my final reply.
It appears here:
I am part of no one's "legion," Miles, and I would politely suggest that if you plan to sell this car based on its rarity, you shouldn't jump down the throat of anyone asking questions about it even if they may have wrong information - - sourced from the same forum we BOTH share membership on!
Even experts on these cars can be wrong, as you probably have learned if you've owned one as long as you have - - I can't count how many times I've had people assert things about my Cali-build SA based on their experience with FB's, which turned out to be utterly wrong.
Consider: If the car is actually as rare as you say it is, what are the odds that anyone interested in it would have had the chance to study one in detail?
Yeah...
Being wrong doesn't make someone a "hater" or necessitate calls for "backup" or accusations of people having "nothing better to do than call bullshit online."
With all due respect, you need to give people the benefit of the doubt when asking them to accept your claims about the rarity of a car you are trying to sell. Or anything else. Because for every genuine article on CL, there are a dozen or more people trying to pass fakes off as genuine.
Good luck with your sale.
Even experts on these cars can be wrong, as you probably have learned if you've owned one as long as you have - - I can't count how many times I've had people assert things about my Cali-build SA based on their experience with FB's, which turned out to be utterly wrong.
Consider: If the car is actually as rare as you say it is, what are the odds that anyone interested in it would have had the chance to study one in detail?
Yeah...
Being wrong doesn't make someone a "hater" or necessitate calls for "backup" or accusations of people having "nothing better to do than call bullshit online."
With all due respect, you need to give people the benefit of the doubt when asking them to accept your claims about the rarity of a car you are trying to sell. Or anything else. Because for every genuine article on CL, there are a dozen or more people trying to pass fakes off as genuine.
Good luck with your sale.
No hate on my part.
-G.
03-31-14, 01:15 PM
#4
I thought the badge was more centered on the sail panel like the rest of the limited editions and LS etc. I've never seen one down in the corner like that before.
Your post above confuses me. He messaged you or something? I don't get it.
Sorry if I caused any trouble though...
Your post above confuses me. He messaged you or something? I don't get it.
Sorry if I caused any trouble though...
03-31-14, 01:24 PM
#5
Was a post & subsequent comments discussion on Facebook's "Mazda RX-7 First Gen" group. I got the impression he's also on here since he was citing various threads to support his position.
No trouble; I was trying to decide if buying the car was worth the headwind-sailing I'd have to do at home, but his approach pretty much soured the deal for me.
I'd have to fight the wife and the state of California to bring the car here, even if running (post doesn't clearly say, interior pix showed the correct interior but no steering wheel when exterior pix showed a steering wheel installed); no way I'm going to fight the seller, too. Ain't worth it. YMMV.
No trouble; I was trying to decide if buying the car was worth the headwind-sailing I'd have to do at home, but his approach pretty much soured the deal for me.
I'd have to fight the wife and the state of California to bring the car here, even if running (post doesn't clearly say, interior pix showed the correct interior but no steering wheel when exterior pix showed a steering wheel installed); no way I'm going to fight the seller, too. Ain't worth it. YMMV.
03-31-14, 01:35 PM
#6
Ah yeah. So the badge placement is correct then eh? Good to know at least. I've seen others with it more centered, but they must have be placed incorrectly after a repaint or something. Whatever... Would have been nice to see you apply your OCD'ness to this car though, I will admit 
03-31-14, 03:23 PM
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Ah yeah. So the badge placement is correct then eh? Good to know at least. I've seen others with it more centered, but they must have be placed incorrectly after a repaint or something. Whatever... Would have been nice to see you apply your OCD'ness to this car though, I will admit
and whitewalls?
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04-01-14, 07:21 AM
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As fairly typical with 1st Gen owners now a days, especially those in their 20s or 30s (no disrespect intended) their fact is mixed up with confusion and mis information. I think we all are still surprised from time to time when we learn something new about these cars.
Yea, the B pillar badge is mis-located, they never came with whitewalls and the color was Renaissance Red. Those are just quick observations. The 5 surviviors are probablly just what he personally knows of or was told by another "informed" acquaintance to be fact. Like the other special model 1st Gens, they are all a rare commodity today, especially running, road worthy examples.
At least you're informed enough to know when the story does not add up. Gives you a leg up to know when a legit car and genuine good deal does come along. An un-informed buyer would not know better. You are right to use your knowledge to make an informed purchase, it seems that in this case, deserved or not, you struck a nerve. We could all keep it in mind that not everyone has the same experience and knowledge or may be as OCD about all the details.
Still, its nice to see one of these surface. It would be nicer to see some better, more detailed pictures of the interior and under the hood. The owner would recieve a wealth of information to seperate fact from fiction plus some good feedback on its value. Bueller........Bueller.......
Yea, the B pillar badge is mis-located, they never came with whitewalls and the color was Renaissance Red. Those are just quick observations. The 5 surviviors are probablly just what he personally knows of or was told by another "informed" acquaintance to be fact. Like the other special model 1st Gens, they are all a rare commodity today, especially running, road worthy examples.
At least you're informed enough to know when the story does not add up. Gives you a leg up to know when a legit car and genuine good deal does come along. An un-informed buyer would not know better. You are right to use your knowledge to make an informed purchase, it seems that in this case, deserved or not, you struck a nerve. We could all keep it in mind that not everyone has the same experience and knowledge or may be as OCD about all the details.
Still, its nice to see one of these surface. It would be nicer to see some better, more detailed pictures of the interior and under the hood. The owner would recieve a wealth of information to seperate fact from fiction plus some good feedback on its value. Bueller........Bueller.......
04-01-14, 09:15 AM
#9
Makes me feel better that the badge is in fact not in the correct location. Had me really second guessing my first gen knowledge there...
No offense taken by the 20's and 30's comment (29 here) you are correct. The amount of mis information floating around about these cars can be overwhelming and trying to correct (or perhaps, share knowledge is a better way to put it) some people is like banging your head on the wall...
No offense taken by the 20's and 30's comment (29 here) you are correct. The amount of mis information floating around about these cars can be overwhelming and trying to correct (or perhaps, share knowledge is a better way to put it) some people is like banging your head on the wall...
04-01-14, 11:45 AM
#10
Details about the 1979 LE and the 1980 LS and 10th Anniversary Edition RX-7's can be found here:
Mazda RX-7: Chevrolet Corvette, Datsun 240Z, imported from Japan, Mazda, Mazda RX-3, Mazda RX-7, Porsche 924, rotary engines | Smog-Era.com: Retro Malaise Rides
"By 1980, the RX-7 was proving quite popular. Because of this fact, dealers were charging $1000 or more over MSRP. New this year was an RX-7 Anniversary Edition which commemorated the 10th year of Mazda USA. This package included unique medallions, special seating, Renaissance Red paint and pinstriping. 8000 copies were produced. Also offered was an LS trim, limited to 2500 copies. This one added gold pinstripes, special emblems, leather seats, sunroof, and gold alloy rims on top of a GS-trimmed car."
Mazda RX-7: Chevrolet Corvette, Datsun 240Z, imported from Japan, Mazda, Mazda RX-3, Mazda RX-7, Porsche 924, rotary engines | Smog-Era.com: Retro Malaise Rides
"By 1980, the RX-7 was proving quite popular. Because of this fact, dealers were charging $1000 or more over MSRP. New this year was an RX-7 Anniversary Edition which commemorated the 10th year of Mazda USA. This package included unique medallions, special seating, Renaissance Red paint and pinstriping. 8000 copies were produced. Also offered was an LS trim, limited to 2500 copies. This one added gold pinstripes, special emblems, leather seats, sunroof, and gold alloy rims on top of a GS-trimmed car."
04-01-14, 12:35 PM
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Thanks for making me spit my coffee out onto my computer, LOL!! TOO funny! And, for claification, I am laughing at the comment / reference to a classic 80's movie, not the OP of the CL ad or the CL ad itself.
I think too that the lack of documentation for these cars adds to the confusion. For instance, when I learned that the serial number stamped onto the engine that came with the car from the factory was only ever referenced on the original sales paperwork, not on the VIN plate or anywhere else on the cars. Unless you have that paperwork it makes it impossible to tell if the engine in it is the one that came with it. That lack of information also makes it harder to determine if the engine in it is actually correct for the year, given that these days so many are rebuilt and often with mix-matched irons and housings. BUT, that also makes it easier to replicate original looking engine components for a rebuild, if one so desires.
Now, where are my paper towels...
I think too that the lack of documentation for these cars adds to the confusion. For instance, when I learned that the serial number stamped onto the engine that came with the car from the factory was only ever referenced on the original sales paperwork, not on the VIN plate or anywhere else on the cars. Unless you have that paperwork it makes it impossible to tell if the engine in it is the one that came with it. That lack of information also makes it harder to determine if the engine in it is actually correct for the year, given that these days so many are rebuilt and often with mix-matched irons and housings. BUT, that also makes it easier to replicate original looking engine components for a rebuild, if one so desires.
Now, where are my paper towels...
04-02-14, 04:14 AM
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DD I think his attitude allowed you to dodge a bullet my friend. 31K, maybe, but rode hard and put away wet methinks. I have seen numerous (so, 3 or 4) 10thANs FS in better shape (maybe higher mileage) and for similar or even less $$ in the past 2 years. I see a money pit...
Stu Aull
80GS
Alaska
Stu Aull
80GS
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04-02-14, 06:38 AM
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"By 1980, the RX-7 was proving quite popular. Because of this fact, dealers were charging $1000 or more over MSRP. New this year was an RX-7 Anniversary Edition which commemorated the 10th year of Mazda USA. This package included unique medallions, special seating, Renaissance Red paint and pinstriping. 8000 copies were produced. Also offered was an LS trim, limited to 2500 copies. This one added gold pinstripes, special emblems, leather seats, sunroof, and gold alloy rims on top of a GS-trimmed car."
Interesting link Ray. Just to clarify what that site is saying: I do believe that the 8000 number referenced, refers to all the 10th A/E edition cars Mazda produced that year.
Like others have pointed out, this trim package was applied to other cars in Mazda's 1980 line up like 626s and alike. I don't remember seeing anything that indicated how many 10th A/E RX-7s rolled off the line. I'd imagine that it was simillar to the other special edition packages at the time which all claimed between 500 and 3000 units.
And of course, the LS trimmed car mentioned in the same breath above is another version altogether, not to be confused with a 10th A/E. The first time I read it, I thought it was describing another varation of the 10th A/E....thats how some of the confusion gets started in the first place! 2,500 LSs in total~500 in Gold, 1000 in Black and 1000 in White.
And after review, the five known examples could have come from information on this very site. In the special model sticky at the top of this section, (4) 10th A/E cars are listed. He could have added his own vehicle to those listed to arrive at 5 known surviors.
04-03-14, 12:57 PM
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His attitude was defensive beyond the point of being abusive. He claimed this was because he'd been barraged by legions of people who had been calling BS on his ad.
To which I guess I would reply at this point, "If you want informed customers, especially about something rare, INFORM YOUR CUSTOMERS. Provide better pictures, links to your provenance in the ad, and don't take offense when someone disagrees or maybe has conflicting info; educate them politely instead. Unless you dislike making a sale."
04-03-14, 01:08 PM
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DD I think his attitude allowed you to dodge a bullet my friend. 31K, maybe, but rode hard and put away wet methinks. I have seen numerous (so, 3 or 4) 10thANs FS in better shape (maybe higher mileage) and for similar or even less $$ in the past 2 years. I see a money pit...
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