Kentetsu's post crash race report
05-16-11, 12:00 PM
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Kentetsu's post crash race report
Well, this weekend was my first chance to try the car in an autocross since the accident last year. I am very pleased to report that the car seems to be just as happy as she ever was, possibly even more so. 
I announce a full recovery!
The weather was horrible (high 40s, high winds, lots of rain), but that just kept the lightweights home and made more room for us hard core (less than sensible) folks. We only had 37 cars for Saturday, but most were the cream of the crop.
Here's how the field broke down:
New style MR2 w/hot motor (rumors of 400 hp were heard)
My Nemesis with the supercharged Miata
1 MS3
1 Evo 9
2012 Mustang
89 RX7
135i
BP prepped 914
Prelude w/4 ws
Camaros
CRX
Miatas, more miatas and a bunch of others...
At the end of the day, only one car came through with a faster time than me, and that was the MR2. They had two drivers, one of whom turned in a humiliating time 3 seconds faster than me, and the other got me by a couple of 10ths.
Link to results (98 CSP): http://furrin.org/Results/tabid/56/a...--5142011.aspx
A very nice day at the races, despite the weather. I was also introding a neighborhood kid to autocross, and he had a blast. He will be picking up Rotordog's fb (you may have seen the whale tail installation video) later this week. YeeHaw!
Anyway, just wanted to let you guys know that she's back to 100% since the crash. And thankyou everone (especially Waldog) for all of your assitance and encouragement since the accident.
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I announce a full recovery!The weather was horrible (high 40s, high winds, lots of rain), but that just kept the lightweights home and made more room for us hard core (less than sensible) folks. We only had 37 cars for Saturday, but most were the cream of the crop.
Here's how the field broke down:
New style MR2 w/hot motor (rumors of 400 hp were heard)
My Nemesis with the supercharged Miata
1 MS3
1 Evo 9
2012 Mustang
89 RX7
135i
BP prepped 914
Prelude w/4 ws
Camaros
CRX
Miatas, more miatas and a bunch of others...
At the end of the day, only one car came through with a faster time than me, and that was the MR2. They had two drivers, one of whom turned in a humiliating time 3 seconds faster than me, and the other got me by a couple of 10ths.
Link to results (98 CSP): http://furrin.org/Results/tabid/56/a...--5142011.aspx
A very nice day at the races, despite the weather. I was also introding a neighborhood kid to autocross, and he had a blast. He will be picking up Rotordog's fb (you may have seen the whale tail installation video) later this week. YeeHaw!
Anyway, just wanted to let you guys know that she's back to 100% since the crash. And thankyou everone (especially Waldog) for all of your assitance and encouragement since the accident.
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Very nice results! Glad to hear she's back in action, proving once again that the FB still kicks *** after all these years.
Looking at the times, that MR2 sounds quite impressive. Even more so because it was being driven in the rain.
Looking at the times, that MR2 sounds quite impressive. Even more so because it was being driven in the rain.
05-16-11, 01:39 PM
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Nice photo Ray! Also, I think I found the cause of the erratic handling I was experiencing while at Road Atlanta. When I got home, the outside shoulder of the front passenger's tire was completely shredded. Turns out the inner bearing seal had fallen apart, and the bearing hadn't held out much longer.
I think I might have also blown out one of my front shocks when it bottomed out hard on a pothole in Tenessee. Not really sure how to confirm that at this point though.
Anyway, overall the car is doing great. Can't wait to get back down South again to see you guys.
I think I might have also blown out one of my front shocks when it bottomed out hard on a pothole in Tenessee. Not really sure how to confirm that at this point though.
Anyway, overall the car is doing great. Can't wait to get back down South again to see you guys.
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05-16-11, 04:05 PM
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That's happy news!
I am being sorely tempted to take my (stock, shiny, show-prepped) car to the autocross at MazFest this year, just to try it... but I am chicken that I might break stuff!
What's the realistic likelihood of damaging a stock garage-queen doing Autocross?
I am being sorely tempted to take my (stock, shiny, show-prepped) car to the autocross at MazFest this year, just to try it... but I am chicken that I might break stuff!
What's the realistic likelihood of damaging a stock garage-queen doing Autocross?
05-17-11, 07:54 AM
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That's happy news!
I am being sorely tempted to take my (stock, shiny, show-prepped) car to the autocross at MazFest this year, just to try it... but I am chicken that I might break stuff!
What's the realistic likelihood of damaging a stock garage-queen doing Autocross?
I am being sorely tempted to take my (stock, shiny, show-prepped) car to the autocross at MazFest this year, just to try it... but I am chicken that I might break stuff!
What's the realistic likelihood of damaging a stock garage-queen doing Autocross?
stressful than the street because the autox layout usually has no bad pavement.
As long as you do regular maintenance you should be fine. I used to autocross mine
when I bought it back in 83 all the time with no issues. Only wear items need to be
dealt with (tires and brakes).
You should do it. These cars are made for autox. The only better ones I can think
of would be the MR2, S2000 or X1/9.
05-17-11, 09:47 AM
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DO IT!!!
You won't hurt your car. If you got really wild and crazy, like going for the Gold type stuff, then you might get a scuff from a cone that you would have to clean off with a sponge and a little rubbing.
When I race, concern for my car doesn't enter the picture. In fact, I'm not sure there are any thought processes happening at all. lol. Point is, I don't think I've ever broken down (or damaged my car) in several years of autocross. In fact, the only hazard I can attest to is getting hit by a drunk on the way home from the autocross. lmao.
You won't hurt your car. If you got really wild and crazy, like going for the Gold type stuff, then you might get a scuff from a cone that you would have to clean off with a sponge and a little rubbing.
When I race, concern for my car doesn't enter the picture. In fact, I'm not sure there are any thought processes happening at all. lol. Point is, I don't think I've ever broken down (or damaged my car) in several years of autocross. In fact, the only hazard I can attest to is getting hit by a drunk on the way home from the autocross. lmao.
05-17-11, 10:39 AM
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I keep the car in the best running condition I'm capable of. I mainly worry about losing needful running gear (like breaking the trans or such) when I'm many tens of miles from home & no trailer. But it sounds like it's possible to race 'carefully' & still have a good time.
Sounds like fun. May just do it.
How much pre-track 'schooling' is required? Rules and such?
Sounds like fun. May just do it.
How much pre-track 'schooling' is required? Rules and such?
05-17-11, 10:54 AM
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DD, PM me your email addy and I'll send you a little writeup I put together to get you started.
And really, even if you are racing for a win, breaking your car shouldn't be a concern. You won't be asking anything of the car that it isn't ready to give you any day of the week. I don't think twice about driving hundreds of miles to an event, racing for 2 - 3 days, then driving back home again. This is with a car that has 235,000 miles on it. The trip usually concerns me more than the racing does. lol.
But anyway, try it because I think you will like it. Pay 20 bucks, borrow a helmet, and start learning the limits of your car and yourself in a safe, controlled environment.
And really, even if you are racing for a win, breaking your car shouldn't be a concern. You won't be asking anything of the car that it isn't ready to give you any day of the week. I don't think twice about driving hundreds of miles to an event, racing for 2 - 3 days, then driving back home again. This is with a car that has 235,000 miles on it. The trip usually concerns me more than the racing does. lol.
But anyway, try it because I think you will like it. Pay 20 bucks, borrow a helmet, and start learning the limits of your car and yourself in a safe, controlled environment.
05-17-11, 02:23 PM
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I found the writeup, so I'll just copy/paste it and hopefully the formatting won't be too messed up. Its very general, but may have a thing or two that you might not have known.
Random thoughts for the aspiring Autocross Racer
My qualifications: I have about six years of experience in Autocross racing. I started late, at the age of 35, after spending my entire life wanting to race cars. I had been fairly familiar with the concept of autocrossing, but never knew how to get my foot in the door. Then one day while driving down the freeway South of town, I saw some guys actually running an event in a large parking lot alongside the road. I pulled in, spectated, and ended up talking with some of the competitors (who were all very friendly). For my first event, my first run, I got to the line, the guy said "GO", and then the next thing I remember is pulling back into the grid area. My first run was over, and it happened so fast I couldn't even commit it to memory! My time was awful, I knocked over more cones than I had left standing, but I knew I was hooked for life! Since that time, my car and I have both progressed to the point that we are consistently stomping on the Miatas, even those on race rubber, while utilizing some of the cheapest tires on the market.
What is Autocross?: Autocross is a great way for anyone interested in auto racing to get into the game. The concept is very simple: find a big empty parking lot, lay out a small scale road course by using traffic cones (pylons), and run cars one at a time against the clock. Setting things up this way ensures that the events will be very safe both for the drivers and their cars. To get started, you just need a car that will pass the tech inspection (no leaks, battery strapped down, no bad tie rods or ball joints, etc.), the entry fee (usually about 20 bucks), and a helmet (which can usually be borrowed at the event if you don't have one). A lot of more detailed information can be found at www.scca.com
Getting Started: One of the most common things I hear from drivers who want to autocross, but haven't yet, is "my car just isn't ready". By that, what they are saying is that they don't have a race suspension yet, or racing tires, or, basically, that their car is not yet a fully qualified race car. That mind set is the wrong one to have, in my opinion. The absolute best thing that any potential racer can do is to get started! If your car can pass tech, meaning that it is fit to drive on the streets, then just go for it. Don't wait for those performance parts, or trying to get your car perfect, but rather get started on the driver now and worry about the car later. It has often been said that in racing, it is 90% driver and 10% car, and that is very true. I didn't know how true this really is until one year my car lost her motor, and had to sit out for the last (my favorite) race of the year. I ended up getting to use a friend's RX7 for the race, but it had no modifications at all, original suspension and bushings (180,000 miles), and very old snow tires. Not the ideal setup by any means. But, to my surprise, once I accepted the car's limitations and concentrated on working with what I had, I ended up turning times that were barely any slower than if I had been driving my own car (with it's vast modifications). So, if you are sitting on the fence thinking that some day you might want to try this, just dive in and get started. You will have so much fun, that working on the car will be that much easier due to the added motivation of getting something done before the next event.
"Why does my car Understeer"?: This is, without question, the number one complaint of new drivers. They are trying to go fast, but the car just can't keep up with their "mad skilz" and doesn't want to go through the turn without plowing to the outside. I spent my first two years combating this issue, and basically banging my head against a brick wall. While some of the problem can be addressed through car setup, 95% of the problem is based in the driver behind the wheel. One of the best sayings to come out of this sport is "sometimes you have to go slow to go fast". And the problem, in a nut shell, is that you are entering the corner too fast. If you concentrate on "slow in, fast out", you will be well on your way to overcoming this problem. With any type of consistent handling problem, it is always the safest bet to blame it on the driver, rather than the car.
Control your body/Control your car: One thing that you will quickly find is that, once you are making your run and throwing your car back and forth, it is very difficult to keep your body from being thrown around as well. So you grip the wheel tighter, force your knees out against the foot wells, and push yourself back against the seat as hard as you can. All in an attempt to keep your body from being thrown around inside the car. Doing all of that takes some of your attention away from what you are trying to do (control your car). The best trick I have found is this: as you are moving your car to the starting line, take all of the slack out of your seatbelt and push yourself back against the seat, then quickly "stab" the brakes causing the seatbelt to lock in that position. Now you are firmly clamped into your seat, and you can concentrate on driving instead of holding yourself in a good position. The best racers don't driver their cars, they wear them.
Walk the Course!: Before the racing begins at an Autocross event, they allow all drivers to walk through the course. This is something you will want to take advantage of. In fact, it is impossible to walk the course too many times. So many people will walk through the course once, and think they've got it, only to see nothing but a "sea of cones" when they pull their car up to the line. After walking the course, go back to your car and sit behind the wheel with your eyes closed. Then try to visualize every single turn that the course makes, thinking about how fast you will be going, whether you will be accelerating or braking, and every other bit of detail you can add to the picture. If you find there are any parts of the course that you are unsure of, then walk it again. The course needs to be firmly implanted in your mind before you begin driving it. The last thing you need it to have to spend any thought trying to figure out where the course goes while you are making your runs.
Tire Pressures: Due to the extreme cornering forces that you will be seeing at an event, you are going to want to add some air to your tires. When I was running the 215/50/13 Sumitomo HTR200s on the stock ("plus" style, 5.5" wide) wheels, I would run them at around 45 psi. That wheel wasn't quite wide enough to run the 215s, but they still worked pretty well. When I moved up to a 8" wide wheel, I began running the Sumis at 50 - 55 psi, mainly because with the wider wheel the tire had a much better profile and less need to "deform" in order to get the contact patch onto the road. Changing to the wider wheel made a phenomenal difference in overall traction. With different tire/wheel combinations, your desired tire pressures will be different. One trick is to mark the sidewall with a bit of chalk or white shoe polish. After your first run, check the markings to see if you are rolling the tire over onto the sidewall. If you are, then add more air. If not, then drive faster.
Additives: I have found that adding a can of Seafoam to the tank (about 1/4 full or less for a race), always results in a good kick in the pants where horse power is concerned. The car is much "peppier" and more responsive. Last year I made it a habit to always add a can before a race. I also add a bit of 2-cycle oil to the gas tank, just to aid in lubrication while running at high rpms in race conditions.
Carburetion: You will find many different opinions on "what is the best carb" anywhere you go these days. A lot of the old timers swear by Delorto, Webber, and Holley carbs. Some of the serious old time racers will talk all day about their Yaw carb. This tends to be a subject that people take very personally, and sometimes (quite often, actually) discussions quickly get out of hand. The only carbs that I have used on my 7 are the stock Nikki, and a Nikki which was modified by Sterling. I purchased my Sterling carb shortly after I started racing, and it has performed so well that I have never had even the slightest curiosity about what the other types might have to offer. It has performed that well, and I have no problem recommending them to anybody looking for more power without a loss in drivability.
Its very general, but may have a thing or two that you might not have known.Random thoughts for the aspiring Autocross Racer
My qualifications: I have about six years of experience in Autocross racing. I started late, at the age of 35, after spending my entire life wanting to race cars. I had been fairly familiar with the concept of autocrossing, but never knew how to get my foot in the door. Then one day while driving down the freeway South of town, I saw some guys actually running an event in a large parking lot alongside the road. I pulled in, spectated, and ended up talking with some of the competitors (who were all very friendly). For my first event, my first run, I got to the line, the guy said "GO", and then the next thing I remember is pulling back into the grid area. My first run was over, and it happened so fast I couldn't even commit it to memory! My time was awful, I knocked over more cones than I had left standing, but I knew I was hooked for life! Since that time, my car and I have both progressed to the point that we are consistently stomping on the Miatas, even those on race rubber, while utilizing some of the cheapest tires on the market.
What is Autocross?: Autocross is a great way for anyone interested in auto racing to get into the game. The concept is very simple: find a big empty parking lot, lay out a small scale road course by using traffic cones (pylons), and run cars one at a time against the clock. Setting things up this way ensures that the events will be very safe both for the drivers and their cars. To get started, you just need a car that will pass the tech inspection (no leaks, battery strapped down, no bad tie rods or ball joints, etc.), the entry fee (usually about 20 bucks), and a helmet (which can usually be borrowed at the event if you don't have one). A lot of more detailed information can be found at www.scca.com
Getting Started: One of the most common things I hear from drivers who want to autocross, but haven't yet, is "my car just isn't ready". By that, what they are saying is that they don't have a race suspension yet, or racing tires, or, basically, that their car is not yet a fully qualified race car. That mind set is the wrong one to have, in my opinion. The absolute best thing that any potential racer can do is to get started! If your car can pass tech, meaning that it is fit to drive on the streets, then just go for it. Don't wait for those performance parts, or trying to get your car perfect, but rather get started on the driver now and worry about the car later. It has often been said that in racing, it is 90% driver and 10% car, and that is very true. I didn't know how true this really is until one year my car lost her motor, and had to sit out for the last (my favorite) race of the year. I ended up getting to use a friend's RX7 for the race, but it had no modifications at all, original suspension and bushings (180,000 miles), and very old snow tires. Not the ideal setup by any means. But, to my surprise, once I accepted the car's limitations and concentrated on working with what I had, I ended up turning times that were barely any slower than if I had been driving my own car (with it's vast modifications). So, if you are sitting on the fence thinking that some day you might want to try this, just dive in and get started. You will have so much fun, that working on the car will be that much easier due to the added motivation of getting something done before the next event.
"Why does my car Understeer"?: This is, without question, the number one complaint of new drivers. They are trying to go fast, but the car just can't keep up with their "mad skilz" and doesn't want to go through the turn without plowing to the outside. I spent my first two years combating this issue, and basically banging my head against a brick wall. While some of the problem can be addressed through car setup, 95% of the problem is based in the driver behind the wheel. One of the best sayings to come out of this sport is "sometimes you have to go slow to go fast". And the problem, in a nut shell, is that you are entering the corner too fast. If you concentrate on "slow in, fast out", you will be well on your way to overcoming this problem. With any type of consistent handling problem, it is always the safest bet to blame it on the driver, rather than the car.
Control your body/Control your car: One thing that you will quickly find is that, once you are making your run and throwing your car back and forth, it is very difficult to keep your body from being thrown around as well. So you grip the wheel tighter, force your knees out against the foot wells, and push yourself back against the seat as hard as you can. All in an attempt to keep your body from being thrown around inside the car. Doing all of that takes some of your attention away from what you are trying to do (control your car). The best trick I have found is this: as you are moving your car to the starting line, take all of the slack out of your seatbelt and push yourself back against the seat, then quickly "stab" the brakes causing the seatbelt to lock in that position. Now you are firmly clamped into your seat, and you can concentrate on driving instead of holding yourself in a good position. The best racers don't driver their cars, they wear them.
Walk the Course!: Before the racing begins at an Autocross event, they allow all drivers to walk through the course. This is something you will want to take advantage of. In fact, it is impossible to walk the course too many times. So many people will walk through the course once, and think they've got it, only to see nothing but a "sea of cones" when they pull their car up to the line. After walking the course, go back to your car and sit behind the wheel with your eyes closed. Then try to visualize every single turn that the course makes, thinking about how fast you will be going, whether you will be accelerating or braking, and every other bit of detail you can add to the picture. If you find there are any parts of the course that you are unsure of, then walk it again. The course needs to be firmly implanted in your mind before you begin driving it. The last thing you need it to have to spend any thought trying to figure out where the course goes while you are making your runs.
Tire Pressures: Due to the extreme cornering forces that you will be seeing at an event, you are going to want to add some air to your tires. When I was running the 215/50/13 Sumitomo HTR200s on the stock ("plus" style, 5.5" wide) wheels, I would run them at around 45 psi. That wheel wasn't quite wide enough to run the 215s, but they still worked pretty well. When I moved up to a 8" wide wheel, I began running the Sumis at 50 - 55 psi, mainly because with the wider wheel the tire had a much better profile and less need to "deform" in order to get the contact patch onto the road. Changing to the wider wheel made a phenomenal difference in overall traction. With different tire/wheel combinations, your desired tire pressures will be different. One trick is to mark the sidewall with a bit of chalk or white shoe polish. After your first run, check the markings to see if you are rolling the tire over onto the sidewall. If you are, then add more air. If not, then drive faster.
Additives: I have found that adding a can of Seafoam to the tank (about 1/4 full or less for a race), always results in a good kick in the pants where horse power is concerned. The car is much "peppier" and more responsive. Last year I made it a habit to always add a can before a race. I also add a bit of 2-cycle oil to the gas tank, just to aid in lubrication while running at high rpms in race conditions.
Carburetion: You will find many different opinions on "what is the best carb" anywhere you go these days. A lot of the old timers swear by Delorto, Webber, and Holley carbs. Some of the serious old time racers will talk all day about their Yaw carb. This tends to be a subject that people take very personally, and sometimes (quite often, actually) discussions quickly get out of hand. The only carbs that I have used on my 7 are the stock Nikki, and a Nikki which was modified by Sterling. I purchased my Sterling carb shortly after I started racing, and it has performed so well that I have never had even the slightest curiosity about what the other types might have to offer. It has performed that well, and I have no problem recommending them to anybody looking for more power without a loss in drivability.
05-17-11, 09:04 PM
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The best carb is EFI. 
I've been running my Sumis at 45 PSI, too. Love 'em. Sounds like they may be out of production now, though, which makes me a sad panda.
I've been running my Sumis at 45 PSI, too. Love 'em. Sounds like they may be out of production now, though, which makes me a sad panda.
05-18-11, 09:57 AM
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Yeah, I have no idea what I'm going to use when this set is worn out.
Think we could get Respeed to start making tires for us too?
Think we could get Respeed to start making tires for us too?
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Well, I'll probably just give up and go to a larger wheel. Thanks to the Miata folks, among others, there should be no problem sourcing 15" tires for some time to come.
05-18-11, 01:36 PM
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^Agreed, 15's will definatly be around for a long time to come. I have a set of practically new HTR200's on a set of plus wheels (probably only 500 miles on them, took them off when I got Rewinds) that i've been tempted to put back on my car and use before they get too old and dried out since there are no replacments...Sucks.
Lol re-speed tires eh? Sam seems up for a challenge, maybe he could whip something up for us.
Lol re-speed tires eh? Sam seems up for a challenge, maybe he could whip something up for us.
