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Old Nov 12, 2010 | 06:47 PM
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I need help in fitting 1st gen parts onto an OPEL GT

Hey guys I am putting this in the first gen spot because I want people with first gens feedback.

I sold my 2 gen convertible a little bit a go and picked up a 71' Opel GT. Is what I am wanting to do is put the front and rear end out of GLS or GLS-SE (I know I know other Fb's could use them don't frame me for it)

If my eyes are not deceiving me, the front and right the rear end should be the same wheel width as the Opel and hopefully making it a little bit more simple to swap. As you guys can guess I want the LSD and disk brakes (side question: can you do a 5lug brake swap from a FC to FB EZ?)

Sadly I am not wanting to make this one rotary, I am planing on using a Mazda KLZE, with light mods and a tune I am shooting for 220-230hp. Then I am wanting to use a RX8 transmission because 1) its a 6speed 2) it is shorter and will only move the shifter position back 3.5 inches not 6.

I am looking for feed back on what you guys think, or maybe you guys have a better idea? This should work... right? The transmission and rear end should be able to hold the HP, I think this is a good idea.
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Old Nov 15, 2010 | 11:05 PM
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It should be able to handle the HP just fine.

My friend has a set of Hedman Headers for your Opel, you know, incase you want to jam a V8 in it instead.
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Old Nov 16, 2010 | 09:55 AM
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From what I hear, the RX-8 tranny is very weak. It should hold 220-230 fine though.
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Old Nov 16, 2010 | 10:17 AM
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us the turbo 2 transmission it should fit in better and has been know to hold 600hp
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Old Nov 16, 2010 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RustyRacer
It should be able to handle the HP just fine.

My friend has a set of Hedman Headers for your Opel, you know, incase you want to jam a V8 in it instead.
thats a bad as putting one in 3gen haha bye bye handling haha but it be fun as hell.

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us the turbo 2 transmission it should fit in better and has been know to hold 600hp
The Rx8 transmission is around 3inches shorter then the TII, I really dont want to move the sifter at all, but it looks like i cant cant get away from moving it a little. So thats why I am wanting to going with the 8... Plus I know that the 220hp I am wanting, it should be able to hold up to it. Plus I like 6speeds
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Old Nov 16, 2010 | 03:50 PM
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What about using a T56?
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Old Nov 16, 2010 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Man_in_black49464
has been know to hold 600hp
Where are you getting this misinformation?
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Old Nov 16, 2010 | 04:37 PM
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not familiar with the KLZE engine but does it have the same tranny bolt pattern as the rotary engine?
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Old Nov 17, 2010 | 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Directfreak
Where are you getting this misinformation?
why, the internets of course :P
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Old Nov 17, 2010 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by RX-7 Chris
What about using a T56?
I have not looked to much in to the T56 because I thought it was as long or longer then the TII transmission.

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not familiar with the KLZE engine but does it have the same tranny bolt pattern as the rotary engine?
KLZE is out of the MX6 and a more basic form is found in the Ford Probe GT. Its just a small little V6 with a awesome exhaust note, ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EClkYs-IYcQ )
There are 3 or 4 guys who have put them in Miatas. I know one used a Rx8 trans and the others used the Miata. Maybe a adapter is needed I don't know yet.

Oh going back to the V8, there is only one V8 I would put in, and I would not think twice about putting one in to any 7. (and I am one who thinks that taking out the rotary should be one of the 7 deadly sins) The 2.8l Hartley H1 V8. Its made out of two Hayabusa motors basically. Weighs only 200 lb puts out 400 hp and 245 ft-lbs plus it rev's to 10,000 rpm. Here is a link of one in a Opel Speedster, and its a eargasm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnvKCJia9jQ
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Old Nov 28, 2010 | 10:44 PM
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thats a bad as putting one in 3gen haha bye bye handling haha but it be fun as hell.
Just use more right foot to compensate
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Old Dec 6, 2010 | 12:16 AM
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Not familiar with the RX8 tranny but there is a way to mod the shifter housing to move the shifter position forward on the TII tranny. When blyfly put the TII engine and tranny in his REPU he moved the shifter forward something like 4+ inches. There should be some pics in his thread in the 'Other Rotary' section.

Good choice modding the GT. One of my favorite old sports cars in dire need of a full rotary swap. Consider using ReSpeeds big brake kit along with the suspension swap. You also might want to talk to Billy and see if his rack and pinion upgrade can be modded to fit the Opel.
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Old Dec 6, 2010 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Glass Machine
I have not looked to much in to the T56 because I thought it was as long or longer then the TII transmission.
Maybe true but there are 4 positions for mounting the gear selector. Two of which are very far forward. T56's are basically a tractor transmission and the 6th gear makes it very wide (rotund).

One more thing to note, if the front end of the FB is a suitable candidate, then the FC will fit too, Which depending on your end-goals, may be a better option.
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Old Dec 8, 2010 | 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by RustyRacer
Just use more right foot to compensate
Little V8's only must be under 3L did you even listen to that Hartley!

Originally Posted by trochoid
Not familiar with the RX8 tranny but there is a way to mod the shifter housing to move the shifter position forward on the TII tranny. When blyfly put the TII engine and tranny in his REPU he moved the shifter forward something like 4+ inches. There should be some pics in his thread in the 'Other Rotary' section.

Good choice modding the GT. One of my favorite old sports cars in dire need of a full rotary swap. Consider using ReSpeeds big brake kit along with the suspension swap. You also might want to talk to Billy and see if his rack and pinion upgrade can be modded to fit the Opel.
I will look at blyfly and see what he did, thanks

I love GT's too they are such a underrated sports car. The are one of the best looking 70's car, they just need a little work to make them shine like the should.

Just for a tease, I am NOT telling who or where its coming from, but a guy is doing a REW swap on his 09' Rx8 (CRAZY! I dont think I could do that with a new car.) He said he is not driving it at all till the swap is done. He said I could have the Renesis and trans for a real good price... still dont know if I am going to be able to do it yet or not, but I do like the Rene unlike most people who think its evil haha. Think of the fun of a 230hp N/A Rene in a 1900lbs car!!! now is it worth putting a motor that has 7000 miles in to a car with 250k miles on the body I think yes!


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Maybe true but there are 4 positions for mounting the gear selector. Two of which are very far forward. T56's are basically a tractor transmission and the 6th gear makes it very wide (rotund).

One more thing to note, if the front end of the FB is a suitable candidate, then the FC will fit too, Which depending on your end-goals, may be a better option.
You see thats would be a big problem, fat is bad! the transmission tunnel takes up a lot of room already with that small 4 speed haha I don't want to know what a tractor transmission would do I just feel that the Rx8 trans is the best option right no... who knows maybe I can move the shifter on it and get it back to stock.
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Old Dec 8, 2010 | 12:42 AM
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One more thing to note, if the front end of the FB is a suitable candidate, then the FC will fit too, Which depending on your end-goals, may be a better option.
Oh I forgot, are they the same width? The FC looks a bit wider... I am not wanting to do any fender flares.
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Old Dec 8, 2010 | 08:02 AM
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the frame mounts are the same width.

The overall track width of the FC is 30mm or something wider than the FB something that you can get creative with in wheels if it becomes a problem.

check out the FB front suspension thread. you may change your mind going with either!
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