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Old Nov 18, 2021 | 12:04 PM
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12a timing screwed up

Sooo like the title suggests I've got problems setting the timing on my new old 12a. If I set the timing to the marks on the pulley the engine runs like crap and wants to stall if it gets the slightest load while idling (like headlights on). Here's the funny thing: if I set the trailing timing right on the leading mark (yellow) the engine is running like new without any hesitation.

I still can see the mark of the retaining nut on the dizzy from my old engine and it's exactly where the engine is running best.
The new engine is a bit of an unknown. I bought it from a wrecker and I found out it was rebuilt at some point because the housings don't match the plates. Could it be that the eccentric shaft is from some other engine, too and has a slightly offset groove for the pulley?

What could I do to find out what's going on here? Finding tdc is a bit difficult without timing marks I could trust🤔

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Old Nov 18, 2021 | 02:05 PM
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If changing your trailing timing is causing significant running issues, there is something wrong. You should be able to run with trailing disconnected and see minimal change in idle quality.

My guess is that either your spark plug wires are mixed up, with your leading wires hooked up to the trailing terminals, or your leading ignition is dead and your car is trying to run solely on the trailing.

For the first possibility, double check that all the coil and spark plug wires are plugged in to the right places. If they are, double check that the coils are connected to the correct ignition modules.

For the second possibility, check the condition of the plugs, wires, coil, and ignition module.
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Old Nov 18, 2021 | 02:14 PM
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Are you using a stock pulley? if so, the pulley has holes drilled every 90 degrees so it can be installed incorrectly 3 ways.

Rotate the engine so the face of the front rotor is like the picture below, use something to poke into the spark plug holes to check if it feels even.
Then bolt the pulley back on and the timing mark should be pretty close. From there you can go about checking ignition timing and adjusting the distributor.


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Old Nov 18, 2021 | 04:28 PM
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The ignition system is working like it should and the pulley is installed correctly buuuut by poking through the plug holes I found out that the marks on the pulley are off by about 20 degrees. I just wonder how this is even possible.
Now I need to find the exact tdc of the front rotor and I wonder how I should do this. Poking at the rotor surface through the plug holes gets me in the right direction but that can't be 100% exact.
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Old Nov 18, 2021 | 04:56 PM
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Did you accidentally install the dizzy a tooth or two off?
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Old Nov 19, 2021 | 01:44 AM
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No I didn't. I can match the timing marks. The engine just doesn't like to run there.
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Old Nov 19, 2021 | 08:14 PM
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Sometimes people paint the wrong divots on the pulley. Once they're this old often new "divots" will appear simply from rust and sometimes folks will paint them by mistake instead. Perhaps this happened with the previous owner, who knows.

My only other thought is if you were running some sort of custom igniter setup. Accidentally reversing the polarity of the pickup wires will retard the ignition events by a bit.

The way I locate TDC is by looking at the flywheel through an inspection plate. When the flat side is on the exhaust side of the engine you're at TDC. Unfortunately it assumes you have a stock flywheel and an accurate pulley since it doesn't give you much precision beyond 90 degree increments.
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Old Jul 19, 2025 | 12:52 PM
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Thanks again Peejay, I understand most of what you're saying and you are explaining it well, however, like I had mentioned, this complete set up was installed and running perfectly on this engine before. but it has an adjustment on top and I was messing with that but not getting much results. I'm willing to try another set up but so far the only thing I have heard is that a rising rate regulator wont work with an airflow meter. So, I'll revert back to my original question... What is the best type of regulator to use? All the pressure related issues that you mentioned make sense but I don't know how to measure those pressures and calculate fuel pressure vs manifold pressure. I haven't even been able to tell how much fuel I'm getting as the boost kicks in. Another thing that I forgot to mention is that my furl pump seems abnormally loud as did the previous one. The first start up in the current car sounded good and the first I drove it, it felt like it was going to make power but I went easy... then it started getting worse after that. I removed the fuel filter in front of the pump and back flushed it onto a paper towel and it was full of debris from the tank. So I put a new filter on and drove it a bit then back flushed the filter again and more junk came out. After that is stayed clean but this was with the old (GSL-SE) fuel pump and it started whining like it was cavitating so I blew back through the line into the tank and it felt clear. So I installed a new pump thinking that some debris made it through the filter and damaged the pump. Then the new pump made the same sounds, as if it is cavitating. Even though there is 30 lbs. of pressure at idle, maybe it have a fuel delivery issue?
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