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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 01:16 PM
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Ouch. I'm sorry. The ducting looks pretty good! Any more info as to what/where the malfunction was? Damn, that just sux.

My regards to the 13b-REW that OD'd on 34 #'s of boost and the 500R that injected the lethal dose. And Adam. :-(
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 02:22 PM
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We know exactly what happened. But I will let Adam disclose what he wishes.

Got the motor out, all 3 seals in the rear rotor are gone. Housing is gone. Rotor is gone.
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 05:20 PM
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Ugh!
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 09:35 AM
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oh man that sucks. I swear Apex's shop has a rotary black cloud hanging over it
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 11:17 AM
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Well, after thinking over what happened, basically it was my fault. I misunderstood the setup recommendation from one of the Synapse Reps on connecting the EBC to the WG. Plus a weeks worth of sleep deprivation and being under the gun to get the car ready for the Saturday track event severely clouded my judgement that night. If I had not been so tired and had checked everything before I did a full throttle pull this would have never happened. This was a very expensive lesson, but it's fixable. I just need to muster up the money to get the turbo and engine fixed.....So close.

All three apex seals, the rear rotor and rotor housing are toast, hopefully the side plates are still good. Anyboy got a set of Iannetti one piece ceramic apex seals for a good price? Also a rotor and rear housing that's in good shape?
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 11:40 AM
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Ahhhh Adam man....I'm sorry about what happened. I feel you.
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 05:39 PM
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Here's a graph of the Boost & RPM trace when I blew up my motor. Atleast I know this turbo is going to kickass response wise once I get it back on the road. 500 rpm transistion from 0 bar to 1 bar, fifth gear.
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 12:22 PM
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I had a very similar experience when the vacuum nipple on the wastegate had somehow come loose and fallen off. The wastegate stayed closed as I accelerated and if it wasn't for the warning light on my gauge I would have stayed in the gas and blown it sky high...seeing my gauge sweep past 1 bar I let off right away and saved the engine. It is really too bad you didn't catch it in time.

This is such a comprehensive build, it is a shame to not see it up and running with you able to enjoy your hard work. Hopefully it is worked out soon! Best of luck.

ps...I guess you know that all the fabrication is the hard part. A rotor, some apex seals and a new housing, although bad and unexpected, is a drop in the bucket compared to the grand scheme of your entire setup. Hopefully it doesn't set you back for very long.
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 01:52 PM
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Yeah, right now I'm in the process gathering up the cash for the repairs. I will be posting a FS listing of all the parts and items I don't need anymore for this build. It's three pages long in Word right now.


I need to get another mechanical Boost gauge that I can place in my line of sight. Hope ProSport Gauges takes on the FlyRX7 gauge build....

Thanks for the support guys.

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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 08:01 PM
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I was wondering why you wanted out of Steve Kan. Sorry to hear.
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Old Mar 8, 2008 | 01:50 AM
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Sadly, I have a feeling I won't have the motor and turbo back in by then. The turbo will take some time to get fixed. Sean is hooking me up, time will be the hidden cost though.

We'll see, if I'm back in the game before Steve comes I will ask to be put on the roster again.
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Old Mar 8, 2008 | 10:14 AM
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No problem man, take the time you need. When I did my first build I blew the motor pretty shortly after the build. It is discouraging, but once you get back on the road it is twice as rewarding! Wish I lived a little closer so that I could give you a hand.
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Old Mar 8, 2008 | 04:48 PM
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Well bad news, the wg did not open on my first pull and I overboosted to 34 psi and blew the apec seals on my rear rotor and destroyed the turbine the 500R. I am in the process of talking to Synapse on the malfunction/mis-information.
That is bad news. Sorry to hear it Adam, hope it isn't too painful to put it back together.
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Old Mar 8, 2008 | 07:01 PM
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He has help
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 09:57 PM
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Almost there with getting the necessary funds, just need to sell more stuff and do Jkstill's v-mount.

While waiting I've been redesigning the IC endtanks. Not finished, but this will give an idea towards the direction I'm going. The inlet tank needs some tweaking for the correct inlet direction.

Please buy my stuff people: https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=736399&page=2
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 10:47 PM
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Recieved the replacement Iannetti 2mm ceramic apex seals and a second set of new springs. Will be ordering the other parts towards the end of this months, once I recoup from my DGRR08 trip. I really can't afford it, but I need it.

Herblenny is hooking me up with his RX-8 while I'm there. Phil's the man!

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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by afgmoto1978
DGRR08 trip.
Herblenny is hooking me up with his RX-8 while I'm there. Phil's the man!

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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 05:15 PM
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Yeah, I'm trying to do it on the cheap too. Shacking up with others (Cabin 1019 Party House FTW!), the plane trip was $219, reserved it a long time ago with my corporate travel arrangements, saved something like $60 over cheaptickets.com.
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 05:21 PM
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Someone photoshop that dog QUICK!!
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Old Apr 7, 2008 | 02:22 PM
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End tank design pretty much done, also thinking of making a limited production run of passenger footrest soon. Will be using step railing similar to picture posted. If I do, four of them are already spoken and maybe one extra.

Currently working on jkstill's v-mount. Intercooler assembly attached.

Also thinking of modifying the center steering column pod to integrate a Apexi power commander screen, modifying the screen with a red LED and then modifying a Miata Nardi steering wheel with the stereo controls to control the commander (CYD idea). Winter project.....

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Old Apr 7, 2008 | 02:55 PM
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You have way too much time on your hands!

The IC looks good. Solidworks, right? Can you do a flow analysis on that?
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Old Apr 7, 2008 | 05:13 PM
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It is Solidworks, I can do flow analysis in Catia V5. Haven't got around to doing that.

I also plan on CMMing the passenger compartment and my Sparco EVO2 seats so I can get an accurate placement of the seats when I get around to designing the seat mount brackets. The cool thing with that is I will then have a seat mount design that will work for just about every side mounted seat out there.
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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 08:15 PM
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Well, took the motor apart and got a few surprises, looks like I need to get the irons laped and re-coated if possible. May need to get new ones, let's hope not. Everything else that blew up was expected. Not pretty.

Will be buying parts soon. Depending on if the irons are salvagable or not I may have the motor built by the end of May.
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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 08:17 PM
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