"Street Racing"
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The fact is that those dumb ricers that you hate so much that **** up street racing for everyone end up killing people that didn't have anything to do with the race. So it's natural selection for the family driving home in their minivan? Don't try to act like it doesn't happen. Here in norcal, street racing isn't huge, but I've been to San Diego and Jesus CHRIST it's out of control. And what's the police force supposed to do, give you a "ricer test" or something? The only viable solution is to really shut down ALL street racing, because it's ALL illegal, no matter how safely some of us do it. I can see how you're frustrated about police enforcement, because it is getting really tough down in socal, but that doesn't give you some right to street race just because you know how and where to do it.
My friend used to drive a 3000GT VR-4. He raced a Marine that owned a GSX-R 750 (who had been riding motorcycles for 10 days), and the Marine lost it at about 100 and took a fatal spill. My friend stopped, called an ambulance, got arrested, and went to jail for 6 months. His car got auctioned off, and he still has about a year and a half on his license suspension. Now, he doesn't say **** like, "the retard shouldn't have been riding a gixxer 750 after 10 days, it's ******* natural selection, not a crime", no matter how true you think that is in this situation. He says, "I shouldn't have raced him", because he knew he was doing something he shouldn't have been doing, and he accepted the consequences. If you don't want to get in trouble, don't street race. It's that simple. I know is addictive as hell, I'm still backing off from it, but if you don't want to pay for tickets or your car being impounded, there's really only one solution, and it's not to kill those "******* pigs". That's my two cents, anyways.
My friend used to drive a 3000GT VR-4. He raced a Marine that owned a GSX-R 750 (who had been riding motorcycles for 10 days), and the Marine lost it at about 100 and took a fatal spill. My friend stopped, called an ambulance, got arrested, and went to jail for 6 months. His car got auctioned off, and he still has about a year and a half on his license suspension. Now, he doesn't say **** like, "the retard shouldn't have been riding a gixxer 750 after 10 days, it's ******* natural selection, not a crime", no matter how true you think that is in this situation. He says, "I shouldn't have raced him", because he knew he was doing something he shouldn't have been doing, and he accepted the consequences. If you don't want to get in trouble, don't street race. It's that simple. I know is addictive as hell, I'm still backing off from it, but if you don't want to pay for tickets or your car being impounded, there's really only one solution, and it's not to kill those "******* pigs". That's my two cents, anyways.
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Blaming the people that were racing someone that lost control of their car and crashed is a bit like blaming violent television, rock music, or gangsta rap for murder. I would prefer to go back to blaming the person that actually fucked up rather than watering down their role in the thing they did and unjustly shifting the blame onto others. It is clear in the business world that you have to assign individual reponsibility; if everyone (or even just two people) is responsible for something, no one is reponsible for it. The buck has to stop somewhere, and if it doesn't stop with the person that fucked up, it isn't really going to stop anywhere. What next? Sue auto manufacturers for making fast cars? Speed Channel for showing racing on TV? The government for making stop lights and roads? Where does it end? If you make people responsible for what they do, they might just act a little more responsibly.
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disphenoid: Adding your story to all the ones I've heard I'm starting to think revoking Marines' driving licenses would be a good step for the police. (I'm just kidding.) Anyway despite what your friend says, _MY_ opinion is that he SHOULD be mad, he should be furious that for being a RESPONSIBLE and HONEST guy the state FUCKED HIM for his money. That is the kind of BULLSHIT that the corrupt politicians love, free money for their supporters!
maxcooper pretty much already made what my next point would be... your friend wasn't any more responsible for that guy's death than ANYONE else, and he gets punished for it? Screw that. I bet the judge thought he/she was doing something great by taking away your friend's car and license, when in reality I bet even if he WASN'T punished AT ALL, your friend would have never ******* raced a car on the street again in his life... from what you say, it sounds like he will be a law abiding driver forever, and I highly doubt that had much at all to do with the decision by the court as it did with seeing a guy on a bike slide along a freeway at 100mph.
But why do people bend over for that ****? He should stand up for himself, if he doesn't think that HE should have been racing because HE isn't experienced enough, then I can understand his decision to never race again and to DISCOURAGE other people from racing... Seeing someone inexperienced suffer the consequences of losing control... it was very fortunate for him to see what can happen when you lose control without it having to be him. I know I've seen my share of lost control, and it's never pretty... people tend to forget that their car is made up of parts, until it's in little bent scrap pieces all over a road or a cliff... that goes for people too, people aren't indestructable. So if that just gave your friend a new perspective to see that HE didn't like taking the risk of racing, then that's fine and I definately support his right to tell people the story. But that does not mean make laws forbidding it. Thinking of the laws reguarding driving, I think people gave up way too many of their rights by letting something like the DMV say "driving is a priviledge not a right". That's ******* retarded, these days transportation is NOT an option, people that cannot drive are forced to take on a completely different lifestyle, like a HANDICAPPED person has to. How can we possibly have given our POLITICIANS the right to cut off our legs if they don't ******* LIKE how our car sounds?!
Back to "racing" though. The problem is that there is NO WAY to truly stop "street racing", those that want to do it WILL ALWAYS DO IT. Increasing the fines, taking away cars, whatever... people always find a way... hell, look at the MP3 situation... they tried to stop that by shutting down Napster? Guess what... now instead of having to search Napster for individual songs I can just download the ENTIRE ALBUM thanks to newly developed much more anonymous file sharing. Nice how that worked out. It will always happen this way, the more you limit something the bigger it gets.. people don't think about if it's stupid or dangerous... they get distracted by the thrill of doing what isn't supposed to be done. The almost century long fuckup that is the "war on drugs" is just another good example of that. Not only are drugs still easy to get these days, they're a thousand times better and in some cases a thousand times more dangerous. GOOD GOING!
It's the ignorant masses that hear about someone dying in a race, being FORCE FED the bullshit by the media TELLING them what to think is dangerous, it's these people that end up voting for laws that sound great when they're spun. There are obviously some of those people on these boards... you can spot them really easily... they don't have an actual argument to make or facts to share, so they just post one line flames.
--Gary
maxcooper pretty much already made what my next point would be... your friend wasn't any more responsible for that guy's death than ANYONE else, and he gets punished for it? Screw that. I bet the judge thought he/she was doing something great by taking away your friend's car and license, when in reality I bet even if he WASN'T punished AT ALL, your friend would have never ******* raced a car on the street again in his life... from what you say, it sounds like he will be a law abiding driver forever, and I highly doubt that had much at all to do with the decision by the court as it did with seeing a guy on a bike slide along a freeway at 100mph.
But why do people bend over for that ****? He should stand up for himself, if he doesn't think that HE should have been racing because HE isn't experienced enough, then I can understand his decision to never race again and to DISCOURAGE other people from racing... Seeing someone inexperienced suffer the consequences of losing control... it was very fortunate for him to see what can happen when you lose control without it having to be him. I know I've seen my share of lost control, and it's never pretty... people tend to forget that their car is made up of parts, until it's in little bent scrap pieces all over a road or a cliff... that goes for people too, people aren't indestructable. So if that just gave your friend a new perspective to see that HE didn't like taking the risk of racing, then that's fine and I definately support his right to tell people the story. But that does not mean make laws forbidding it. Thinking of the laws reguarding driving, I think people gave up way too many of their rights by letting something like the DMV say "driving is a priviledge not a right". That's ******* retarded, these days transportation is NOT an option, people that cannot drive are forced to take on a completely different lifestyle, like a HANDICAPPED person has to. How can we possibly have given our POLITICIANS the right to cut off our legs if they don't ******* LIKE how our car sounds?!
Back to "racing" though. The problem is that there is NO WAY to truly stop "street racing", those that want to do it WILL ALWAYS DO IT. Increasing the fines, taking away cars, whatever... people always find a way... hell, look at the MP3 situation... they tried to stop that by shutting down Napster? Guess what... now instead of having to search Napster for individual songs I can just download the ENTIRE ALBUM thanks to newly developed much more anonymous file sharing. Nice how that worked out. It will always happen this way, the more you limit something the bigger it gets.. people don't think about if it's stupid or dangerous... they get distracted by the thrill of doing what isn't supposed to be done. The almost century long fuckup that is the "war on drugs" is just another good example of that. Not only are drugs still easy to get these days, they're a thousand times better and in some cases a thousand times more dangerous. GOOD GOING!
It's the ignorant masses that hear about someone dying in a race, being FORCE FED the bullshit by the media TELLING them what to think is dangerous, it's these people that end up voting for laws that sound great when they're spun. There are obviously some of those people on these boards... you can spot them really easily... they don't have an actual argument to make or facts to share, so they just post one line flames.
--Gary
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More teenagers die due to motor vehicle accidents than any other single cause. Apart from the risk of death is the risk of injury to the teen driver, passengers, and others. Driving can also become a financial burden to the family, a burden which can become a crisis in the event of an accident
Motor vehicle accidents (MVAs) are the leading cause of death in people age 16 to 20. MVAs account for about 1/3 of deaths of people in this age group.
People aged 16 to 20 have the highest fatality rate due to MVAs of any other age group.
People aged 16 to 20 make up only 5% of drivers and only 3% of all miles driven by all drivers. And yet they are involved in 15% of traffic deaths.
About 5000 teenagers of driving age die in automobile accidents every year.
For every teenager killed, about 100 have injuries that are not fatal. MVAs are the leading cause of disability related to head and spinal cord injuries.
17-year old drivers are 6 times as likely to have an MVA as are people in the general population of drivers.
16-year old drivers are 20 times as likely to have an MVA.
Motor vehicle accidents (MVAs) are the leading cause of death in people age 16 to 20. MVAs account for about 1/3 of deaths of people in this age group.
People aged 16 to 20 have the highest fatality rate due to MVAs of any other age group.
People aged 16 to 20 make up only 5% of drivers and only 3% of all miles driven by all drivers. And yet they are involved in 15% of traffic deaths.
About 5000 teenagers of driving age die in automobile accidents every year.
For every teenager killed, about 100 have injuries that are not fatal. MVAs are the leading cause of disability related to head and spinal cord injuries.
17-year old drivers are 6 times as likely to have an MVA as are people in the general population of drivers.
16-year old drivers are 20 times as likely to have an MVA.
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In case anyone was wondering, these "facts" were published just about 10 years ago now... and were based on data from 1992.
I'm glad we're so informative.
--Gary
I'm glad we're so informative.
--Gary
Originally Posted by cdrad51
More teenagers die due to motor vehicle accidents than any other single cause. Apart from the risk of death is the risk of injury to the teen driver, passengers, and others. Driving can also become a financial burden to the family, a burden which can become a crisis in the event of an accident
Motor vehicle accidents (MVAs) are the leading cause of death in people age 16 to 20. MVAs account for about 1/3 of deaths of people in this age group.
People aged 16 to 20 have the highest fatality rate due to MVAs of any other age group.
People aged 16 to 20 make up only 5% of drivers and only 3% of all miles driven by all drivers. And yet they are involved in 15% of traffic deaths.
About 5000 teenagers of driving age die in automobile accidents every year.
For every teenager killed, about 100 have injuries that are not fatal. MVAs are the leading cause of disability related to head and spinal cord injuries.
17-year old drivers are 6 times as likely to have an MVA as are people in the general population of drivers.
16-year old drivers are 20 times as likely to have an MVA.
Motor vehicle accidents (MVAs) are the leading cause of death in people age 16 to 20. MVAs account for about 1/3 of deaths of people in this age group.
People aged 16 to 20 have the highest fatality rate due to MVAs of any other age group.
People aged 16 to 20 make up only 5% of drivers and only 3% of all miles driven by all drivers. And yet they are involved in 15% of traffic deaths.
About 5000 teenagers of driving age die in automobile accidents every year.
For every teenager killed, about 100 have injuries that are not fatal. MVAs are the leading cause of disability related to head and spinal cord injuries.
17-year old drivers are 6 times as likely to have an MVA as are people in the general population of drivers.
16-year old drivers are 20 times as likely to have an MVA.
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Originally Posted by Bob_The_Normal
Back to "racing" though. The problem is that there is NO WAY to truly stop "street racing", those that want to do it WILL ALWAYS DO IT. Increasing the fines, taking away cars, whatever... people always find a way... hell, look at the MP3 situation... they tried to stop that by shutting down Napster? Guess what... now instead of having to search Napster for individual songs I can just download the ENTIRE ALBUM thanks to newly developed much more anonymous file sharing. Nice how that worked out. It will always happen this way, the more you limit something the bigger it gets.. people don't think about if it's stupid or dangerous... they get distracted by the thrill of doing what isn't supposed to be done. The almost century long fuckup that is the "war on drugs" is just another good example of that. Not only are drugs still easy to get these days, they're a thousand times better and in some cases a thousand times more dangerous. GOOD GOING!
--Gary
-Princess Leia Organa ( StarWars ANH )
then her home world was obliterated...
yeah, just cuz they can't stop the raceing scene doesn't mean that there won't be casualties, and it sure doesn't protect you, especially from yourself.
Originally Posted by Bob_The_Normal
It's the ignorant masses that hear about someone dying in a race, being FORCE FED the bullshit by the media TELLING them what to think is dangerous, it's these people that end up voting for laws that sound great when they're spun. There are obviously some of those people on these boards... you can spot them really easily... they don't have an actual argument to make or facts to share, so they just post one line flames.
--Gary
--Gary
-Manny a brillent minds
My question is this : Who is force feeding you?
I see you like the new taste, mmmmnnnnn yummmy
Originally Posted by Bob_The_Normal
In case anyone was wondering, these "facts" were published just about 10 years ago now... and were based on data from 1992.
I'm glad we're so informative.
--Gary
I'm glad we're so informative.
--Gary
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Originally Posted by Bob_The_Normal
In case anyone was wondering, these "facts" were published just about 10 years ago now... and were based on data from 1992.
I'm glad we're so informative.
--Gary
I'm glad we're so informative.
--Gary
Currently, the statistics are even worse!
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Soooo.... right.
Does anyone actually want to make any real arguments, or post real facts that aren't completely irrelevant?
BTW _FLAMES_ don't count as arguments.
Bring it on Fumanchu, no one has brought anything even near worth rebutting... just a couple more one liners... obviously everyone failed that section of speech in college... or oh... right, maybe they never went and became cops instead.
I'm actually pretty bored with this thread, it's obvious no one HAS anything to offer in a way of an intelligent argument or they would have already. I guess Bush really is a fine example of the nation's average intelligence.
--Gary
Does anyone actually want to make any real arguments, or post real facts that aren't completely irrelevant?
BTW _FLAMES_ don't count as arguments.
Bring it on Fumanchu, no one has brought anything even near worth rebutting... just a couple more one liners... obviously everyone failed that section of speech in college... or oh... right, maybe they never went and became cops instead.
I'm actually pretty bored with this thread, it's obvious no one HAS anything to offer in a way of an intelligent argument or they would have already. I guess Bush really is a fine example of the nation's average intelligence.
--Gary
IMHO, the problem is in traffic in general, and the diversity in skill level and experience. Not everyone on the street can REALLY understand driving a car. A person can obtain a drivers license simply by paying attention during the test, (or in california, have a pulse) , then just **** around every time he/she drives, whereas there are others who are serious when they drive, and they drive consciously. It all has to do with concentration. The reason there are so many fatalities for young people is that they tend to become distracted easier, be it on the phone, or high school drama, girlfriend/boyfriend problems etc. I would not contribute the high death toll to street racing.
No doubt though, in my mind, street racing is dangerous. Once again, I believe this is due to diversity in skill. Many people who street race do not have prior training or other experience while driving on the road. Also, the level of skill needed for a racer is far higher than a normal driver, thereby wideing the gap. If one thing goes wrong, they will have no clue how to handle it.
Cops need to back off. Focusing on street racing as a "deadly killer" simply makes it so that any driver with an aftermarket exhaust, bodykit, or sporty looking car is a target for cops looking to fill their quota. Focus more on training our drivers instead of ******* with people who like cars...
And theres my rant, read it if you feel like it :-P
No doubt though, in my mind, street racing is dangerous. Once again, I believe this is due to diversity in skill. Many people who street race do not have prior training or other experience while driving on the road. Also, the level of skill needed for a racer is far higher than a normal driver, thereby wideing the gap. If one thing goes wrong, they will have no clue how to handle it.
Cops need to back off. Focusing on street racing as a "deadly killer" simply makes it so that any driver with an aftermarket exhaust, bodykit, or sporty looking car is a target for cops looking to fill their quota. Focus more on training our drivers instead of ******* with people who like cars...
And theres my rant, read it if you feel like it :-P
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Originally Posted by Bob_The_Normal
Bring it on Fumanchu, no one has brought anything even near worth rebutting... just a couple more one liners... obviously everyone failed that section of speech in college... or oh... right, maybe they never went and became cops instead.
--Gary
And I am not going to stoop so low as to argue with these horific ignorant posts you make. They are so bad, I don't even make to make an *** out of you. You are doing just fine.
You are slowly turning into the next MarkPerez or Z28_SS.
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Originally Posted by Fumanchu
If you only knew buddy. There you go again making false assumptions. You seem to be good at it. Want me to scan my BA for you?
And I am not going to stoop so low as to argue with these horific ignorant posts you make. They are so bad, I don't even make to make an *** out of you. You are doing just fine.
You are slowly turning into the next MarkPerez or Z28_SS.
And I am not going to stoop so low as to argue with these horific ignorant posts you make. They are so bad, I don't even make to make an *** out of you. You are doing just fine.
You are slowly turning into the next MarkPerez or Z28_SS.
--Gary
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Originally Posted by Bob_The_Normal
Soooo.... right.
Does anyone actually want to make any real arguments, or post real facts that aren't completely irrelevant?
BTW _FLAMES_ don't count as arguments.
Bring it on Fumanchu, no one has brought anything even near worth rebutting... just a couple more one liners... obviously everyone failed that section of speech in college... or oh... right, maybe they never went and became cops instead.
I'm actually pretty bored with this thread, it's obvious no one HAS anything to offer in a way of an intelligent argument or they would have already. I guess Bush really is a fine example of the nation's average intelligence.
--Gary
Does anyone actually want to make any real arguments, or post real facts that aren't completely irrelevant?
BTW _FLAMES_ don't count as arguments.
Bring it on Fumanchu, no one has brought anything even near worth rebutting... just a couple more one liners... obviously everyone failed that section of speech in college... or oh... right, maybe they never went and became cops instead.
I'm actually pretty bored with this thread, it's obvious no one HAS anything to offer in a way of an intelligent argument or they would have already. I guess Bush really is a fine example of the nation's average intelligence.
--Gary
Bobby boy,
Haven't you heard the saying, "only fools take on a fool's argument"?
That's pretty much why people aren't taking the time to give you a valid rebuttal. You don't seem like the type to listen to anything outside of your scope of thought, so I'll let you argue with yourself. BTW, aren't you a little old to still be a democrat?
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From: Davis, Ca
Originally Posted by Bob_The_Normal
Soooo.... right.
Does anyone actually want to make any real arguments, or post real facts that aren't completely irrelevant?
--Gary
Does anyone actually want to make any real arguments, or post real facts that aren't completely irrelevant?
--Gary
look at yor origonal post... it was a rant.. not a "real argument" or about "real facts", just yor emotions....
lol
oh and Fumanchu... I have to say....
NICE 'STACHE ( if that is indeed you in the pic )
DrunkinGimp has a verry important point about skill differences... this should not be dismissed... however,
no matter how skilled you are at... say ... walking, when u and someonein the hall do that little thing going left right left right, trying to pass then laughing and finaly getting i right... that doesn't work when one of you is a car doing 70 and the other a minivan doing 35 the other direction...
u could try it, but I would feel sorry for the minivan and the cops tha scrape u up after.
Be safe all you out there, and honestly, Tracks = Awsome
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Originally Posted by pshaw118
BTW, aren't you a little old to still be a democrat?
I guess I have come accustomed in seeing threads like this started by the younger crowd.
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your average cop on duty...
whats with political hateing? not people's facts they were born in such a 2 party system.. poor poor them.. deocrat/republicans....
your average cop on duty...
whats with political hateing? not people's facts they were born in such a 2 party system.. poor poor them.. deocrat/republicans....
