California smog nazis strike again
11-30-07, 12:11 PM
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It is cleaner, but still not clean enough. City buses and most truck in San Diego are CNG and with the low sulfer diesel...
Our problem is the shithole known as TJ. Their rigs run up here after topping off their tanks with cheap dirty diesel in Mexico. Although that is being addressed...they may have to dump/refuel w/ cleaner american gas and have stack scrubbers on any mexican trucks running in the US.
ANother issue is cruise ships than run on fuel or bunker oil. The idle in port and they dump tons of **** into the air. San Diego is no where near as bad as the LA basin and I"m damn glad I don't live up there.
Our problem is the shithole known as TJ. Their rigs run up here after topping off their tanks with cheap dirty diesel in Mexico. Although that is being addressed...they may have to dump/refuel w/ cleaner american gas and have stack scrubbers on any mexican trucks running in the US.
ANother issue is cruise ships than run on fuel or bunker oil. The idle in port and they dump tons of **** into the air. San Diego is no where near as bad as the LA basin and I"m damn glad I don't live up there.
11-30-07, 12:12 PM
#52
I think the problem isn't with emissions law per se but rather the targeting of vehicle modification.
Hell we need to get a ******* Proposal on a ballot ... or something.
Engine swaps, engine modification, should be perfectly legal so long as it passes a sniffer test and said modifications will not be a gross threat to other motorists. Now that last part could be vague. When I think gross threat, I think maybe, say driving around a car powered by a huge tank of unstable plutonium that is mounted to the rear bumper. You know, something really kooky.
Seriously the car enthusiast/tuner crowd has to be large enough to where a proposal could be passed that would allow exemption for making car modifications so long as they meet emissions requiremens/pass sniffer tests.
Hell we need to get a ******* Proposal on a ballot ... or something.
Engine swaps, engine modification, should be perfectly legal so long as it passes a sniffer test and said modifications will not be a gross threat to other motorists. Now that last part could be vague. When I think gross threat, I think maybe, say driving around a car powered by a huge tank of unstable plutonium that is mounted to the rear bumper. You know, something really kooky.
Seriously the car enthusiast/tuner crowd has to be large enough to where a proposal could be passed that would allow exemption for making car modifications so long as they meet emissions requiremens/pass sniffer tests.
11-30-07, 12:15 PM
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I don't know if you're agreeing with me or disagreeing with me.
11-30-07, 12:35 PM
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Banned. I got OWNED!!!
That's the only way I have a prayer of getting my Twin Turbo 13B-RE swapped S4 N/A to pass. BIG cat, Stoik run, low boost and just for jollies I'm going to toss a few restrictors in the exhast and plumb in an electric smog pump to really diloute it. As long as I pass the sniffer, I'm good to go far as I know. Not so much ****'s here in ole CT.
As a note though I worked at a gas station in NY about 12 years ago. NY is emmisions testing every 6 months. So we had this 40k mile BMW that wouldn't pass the sniffer and a 220k mile saab that would. So he had me stand infront of the camera rebuilding an x-fer case while he took the sniffer out of the bmw and stuffed it into the saab
viola presto chango enission sticker
As a note though I worked at a gas station in NY about 12 years ago. NY is emmisions testing every 6 months. So we had this 40k mile BMW that wouldn't pass the sniffer and a 220k mile saab that would. So he had me stand infront of the camera rebuilding an x-fer case while he took the sniffer out of the bmw and stuffed it into the saab
viola presto chango enission sticker
11-30-07, 12:35 PM
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I think you guys are taking a far to narrow view of California's problems. They are not specifically because of vehicles, in fact, they had similar problems with simply burning. The geography of California is such that most areas people inhabit are lower elevations or valley's. When the temperature different of the warm climate mixes with these natural "bowls" the smog settles and is not easily dislodged.
Cleaner vehicles are always a step in the right direction, but they will never fix California's problems. It is a combination of elevations, geography, climate, and population that caused the problem and will continue to cause the problem.
Cleaner vehicles are always a step in the right direction, but they will never fix California's problems. It is a combination of elevations, geography, climate, and population that caused the problem and will continue to cause the problem.
11-30-07, 12:56 PM
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I think you guys are taking a far to narrow view of California's problems. They are not specifically because of vehicles, in fact, they had similar problems with simply burning. The geography of California is such that most areas people inhabit are lower elevations or valley's. When the temperature different of the warm climate mixes with these natural "bowls" the smog settles and is not easily dislodged.
Cleaner vehicles are always a step in the right direction, but they will never fix California's problems. It is a combination of elevations, geography, climate, and population that caused the problem and will continue to cause the problem.
Cleaner vehicles are always a step in the right direction, but they will never fix California's problems. It is a combination of elevations, geography, climate, and population that caused the problem and will continue to cause the problem.
You and your god damned logic!
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11-30-07, 01:05 PM
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Irregardless, the health problems do exist and we still have to follow federal clean air guildlines. Which means we have to do what we can where we can to improve air quality. And where Cali goes, the USA follows.
11-30-07, 01:12 PM
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You guy are gonna crap when you see what CALIF. is proposing. Real-time smog monitoring of all OBDII vehicles. And you get a letter to fix your car when it put outs too much smoggie.
http://www.imreview.ca.gov/presentat...om_8.23.07.pdf
The Future of Smog Check
•Remote emissions monitoring reduces vehicle emissions and improves air quality
•All light and medium duty vehicles will be OBDII
•2008-2020: States require all vehicles with OBDII to be upfittedwith remote emissions monitoring devices
•2015+: States/EPA require all OBDII vehicles to exit the factory with remote emissions monitoring installed
•Data from remote devices must be integrated with state databases
•Devices may range from emissions only monitors to value added GPS + emissions consumer devices
dohhhh.
http://www.imreview.ca.gov/presentat...om_8.23.07.pdf
The Future of Smog Check
•Remote emissions monitoring reduces vehicle emissions and improves air quality
•All light and medium duty vehicles will be OBDII
•2008-2020: States require all vehicles with OBDII to be upfittedwith remote emissions monitoring devices
•2015+: States/EPA require all OBDII vehicles to exit the factory with remote emissions monitoring installed
•Data from remote devices must be integrated with state databases
•Devices may range from emissions only monitors to value added GPS + emissions consumer devices
dohhhh.
11-30-07, 01:20 PM
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You guy are gonna crap when you see what CALIF. is proposing. Real-time smog monitoring of all OBDII vehicles. And you get a letter to fix your car when it put outs too much smoggie.
http://www.imreview.ca.gov/presentat...om_8.23.07.pdf
The Future of Smog Check
•Remote emissions monitoring reduces vehicle emissions and improves air quality
•All light and medium duty vehicles will be OBDII
•2008-2020: States require all vehicles with OBDII to be upfittedwith remote emissions monitoring devices
•2015+: States/EPA require all OBDII vehicles to exit the factory with remote emissions monitoring installed
•Data from remote devices must be integrated with state databases
•Devices may range from emissions only monitors to value added GPS + emissions consumer devices
dohhhh.
http://www.imreview.ca.gov/presentat...om_8.23.07.pdf
The Future of Smog Check
•Remote emissions monitoring reduces vehicle emissions and improves air quality
•All light and medium duty vehicles will be OBDII
•2008-2020: States require all vehicles with OBDII to be upfittedwith remote emissions monitoring devices
•2015+: States/EPA require all OBDII vehicles to exit the factory with remote emissions monitoring installed
•Data from remote devices must be integrated with state databases
•Devices may range from emissions only monitors to value added GPS + emissions consumer devices
dohhhh.
11-30-07, 01:25 PM
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You guy are gonna crap when you see what CALIF. is proposing. Real-time smog monitoring of all OBDII vehicles. And you get a letter to fix your car when it put outs too much smoggie.
http://www.imreview.ca.gov/presentat...om_8.23.07.pdf
The Future of Smog Check
•Remote emissions monitoring reduces vehicle emissions and improves air quality
•All light and medium duty vehicles will be OBDII
•2008-2020: States require all vehicles with OBDII to be upfittedwith remote emissions monitoring devices
•2015+: States/EPA require all OBDII vehicles to exit the factory with remote emissions monitoring installed
•Data from remote devices must be integrated with state databases
•Devices may range from emissions only monitors to value added GPS + emissions consumer devices
dohhhh.
http://www.imreview.ca.gov/presentat...om_8.23.07.pdf
The Future of Smog Check
•Remote emissions monitoring reduces vehicle emissions and improves air quality
•All light and medium duty vehicles will be OBDII
•2008-2020: States require all vehicles with OBDII to be upfittedwith remote emissions monitoring devices
•2015+: States/EPA require all OBDII vehicles to exit the factory with remote emissions monitoring installed
•Data from remote devices must be integrated with state databases
•Devices may range from emissions only monitors to value added GPS + emissions consumer devices
dohhhh.
11-30-07, 04:21 PM
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You guy are gonna crap when you see what CALIF. is proposing. Real-time smog monitoring of all OBDII vehicles. And you get a letter to fix your car when it put outs too much smoggie.
http://www.imreview.ca.gov/presentat...om_8.23.07.pdf
The Future of Smog Check
•Remote emissions monitoring reduces vehicle emissions and improves air quality
•All light and medium duty vehicles will be OBDII
•2008-2020: States require all vehicles with OBDII to be upfittedwith remote emissions monitoring devices
•2015+: States/EPA require all OBDII vehicles to exit the factory with remote emissions monitoring installed
•Data from remote devices must be integrated with state databases
•Devices may range from emissions only monitors to value added GPS + emissions consumer devices
dohhhh.
http://www.imreview.ca.gov/presentat...om_8.23.07.pdf
The Future of Smog Check
•Remote emissions monitoring reduces vehicle emissions and improves air quality
•All light and medium duty vehicles will be OBDII
•2008-2020: States require all vehicles with OBDII to be upfittedwith remote emissions monitoring devices
•2015+: States/EPA require all OBDII vehicles to exit the factory with remote emissions monitoring installed
•Data from remote devices must be integrated with state databases
•Devices may range from emissions only monitors to value added GPS + emissions consumer devices
dohhhh.
11-30-07, 04:45 PM
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I know this would never pass since the people that make and pass california's smog bills are all sterile boring souless ghouls that drive big biege boring cars, but here goes. They should come up wih an exemption for automotive modification, a minimum spending limit on engine modification must be imposed filter out ricers and chepo's that don't wanna pay for reapairs. After all the amount of actual number of enthusiasts that would benefit from this are so small it wouldn't make an impact.
BTW, cars should also be emissions exempt after 20yrs like here in WI.
BTW, cars should also be emissions exempt after 20yrs like here in WI.
11-30-07, 04:49 PM
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I know this would never pass since the people that make and pass california's smog bills are all sterile boring souless ghouls that drive big biege boring cars, but here goes. They should come up wih an exemption for automotive modification, a minimum spending limit on engine modification must be imposed filter out ricers and chepo's that don't wanna pay for reapairs. After all the amount of actual number of enthusiasts that would benefit from this are so small it wouldn't make an impact.
BTW, cars should also be emissions exempt after 20yrs like here in WI.
BTW, cars should also be emissions exempt after 20yrs like here in WI.
1- CARB approved parts
2- cars that fail emissions at a test & repair facility or a Gold Shied Station have a maximum amount of $400 to repair the emssions failure.
11-30-07, 04:51 PM
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You guy are gonna crap when you see what CALIF. is proposing. Real-time smog monitoring of all OBDII vehicles. And you get a letter to fix your car when it put outs too much smoggie.
http://www.imreview.ca.gov/presentat...om_8.23.07.pdf
The Future of Smog Check
•Remote emissions monitoring reduces vehicle emissions and improves air quality
•All light and medium duty vehicles will be OBDII
•2008-2020: States require all vehicles with OBDII to be upfittedwith remote emissions monitoring devices
•2015+: States/EPA require all OBDII vehicles to exit the factory with remote emissions monitoring installed
•Data from remote devices must be integrated with state databases
•Devices may range from emissions only monitors to value added GPS + emissions consumer devices
dohhhh.
http://www.imreview.ca.gov/presentat...om_8.23.07.pdf
The Future of Smog Check
•Remote emissions monitoring reduces vehicle emissions and improves air quality
•All light and medium duty vehicles will be OBDII
•2008-2020: States require all vehicles with OBDII to be upfittedwith remote emissions monitoring devices
•2015+: States/EPA require all OBDII vehicles to exit the factory with remote emissions monitoring installed
•Data from remote devices must be integrated with state databases
•Devices may range from emissions only monitors to value added GPS + emissions consumer devices
dohhhh.
You think thats evil, soon there are going to be SMOG TRAPS!
http://www.dmvnv.com/news/02-157.htm
11-30-07, 04:53 PM
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You think thats evil, soon there are going to be SMOG TRAPS!
http://www.dmvnv.com/news/02-157.htm
http://www.dmvnv.com/news/02-157.htm
11-30-07, 05:04 PM
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He who smokes bitches
For just getting a state ref ticket? There must have been more to it. My friend has had at least 3 state ref tickets. The cop even put a sticker on his car once that said he could not drive until it was inspected. Each time all he ended up having to do was pay the $300 ticket that comes in the mail if he diddn't want to deal with the ref inspection.
